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Lame test version (June 2005)
Gabriel
post Jun 6 2005, 10:18
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Here is a new test version.
Changes against latest alpha are in ABR/CBR modes.

The goals are:
*more correct bitrate at high abr settings
*reduce potential low freq noise.
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Attached File  lame_june.zip ( 151.32K ) Number of downloads: 816
 
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post Jun 6 2005, 10:25
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post Jun 6 2005, 13:50
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gabriel, something went wrong with the achive... i can't extract it sad.gif


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post Jun 6 2005, 13:56
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QUOTE (ToS_Maverick @ Jun 6 2005, 02:50 PM)
gabriel, something went wrong with the achive... i can't extract it sad.gif
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No. Something went wrong with your download.
Cause the file extracts perfectly here! smile.gif


Gabriel, I`m still a little upset that you only provide Win32 binaries.
This nicelly excludes us Mac OS X and GNU/Linux users! Oh well...

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post Jun 6 2005, 15:45
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Gabriel, I`m still a little upset that you only provide Win32 binaries.

My dls connection is not yet restored. In the meantime, I can only "safely" provide win32 binaries
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post Jun 6 2005, 16:05
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QUOTE (krmathis @ Jun 6 2005, 01:56 PM)
QUOTE (ToS_Maverick @ Jun 6 2005, 02:50 PM)
gabriel, something went wrong with the achive... i can't extract it sad.gif
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No. Something went wrong with your download.
Cause the file extracts perfectly here! smile.gif
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I too, get an "Unexpected end of archive" error.

Edit: Weird, now I managed to dl it fine. Anyway, if anybody else has problems getting it, here's an mirror.

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post Jun 6 2005, 16:31
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QUOTE (Gambit @ Jun 6 2005, 05:05 PM)
I too, get an "Unexpected end of archive" error.

Edit: Weird, now I managed to dl it fine. Anyway, if anybody else has problems getting it, here's an mirror.
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thank you very much, now i could extract it cool.gif


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post Jun 6 2005, 16:47
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May I please have the switches to achieve something near the old -aps results?
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post Jun 6 2005, 16:50
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QUOTE (ddrawley @ Jun 6 2005, 07:47 AM)
May I please have the switches to achieve something near the old -aps results?
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I don't even know what you mean, but this release is supposed to be tested for its ABR and CBR modes, not -aps
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post Jun 6 2005, 17:28
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OK, how about, what are the recommended settings for this version of LAME? I am not sure what else to ask to get a command line that gives comparable bit rates and audio quality to the current 3.90.3 and -aps.
I don't wish to start a flame war about what version is best. I just prefer to use a preset that is tuned, rather than playing the 'my switch settings are better than your switch settings' game.
I have been very pleased with 3.90.3 with -aps and am looking for the rough equivalent.
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post Jun 6 2005, 17:42
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well, this version isn't meant to use with aps and is not even meant to use for production. It's a test version for CBR/ABR. Just stick to 3.90.3 or 3.96.1.

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post Jun 6 2005, 18:21
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this time i tested a few problem samples, i hope it is useful.

BlackBird
wav - a10 9/10
wav - june 10/10
a10 - june 7/10

i'm not shure about this one as you can see at the abx result of a10 against june.

fatboy
wav - a10 10/10
wav - june 10/10
a10 - june 10/10
=> june is better

it's the fist time i listened to fatboy and to me, june was better as there is less noise.

hihat
wav - a10 10/10
wav - june 10/10
a10 - june 9/10
=> a10 is better

both encodes sound like a lash (hope tha's the right translation wink.gif) but june as some additional high frequencies that maybe sound like turning the TV off or so...
anyway it sounds unnatural and therefore my vote goes to a10

main_theme
wav - a10 7/10
wav - june 8/10
a10 - june 6/10

as i could not find a thing to concentrate on it was very difficult for me to tell the difference. both sound not as clear as the original but i can't tell more about it.


for a next test, would it be useful to choose samples out of real music or should i continue with problem-samples?

EDIT: here are the logs, thx for the tip with the codebox laugh.gif

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foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:21:35

File A: file://E:\MP3-sonstiges\Testsamples\BlackBird.wv
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\BlackBird a10.mp3

18:21:36 : Test started.
18:21:52 : 01/01 50.0%
18:22:02 : 02/02 25.0%
18:22:14 : 03/03 12.5%
18:22:19 : 04/04 6.3%
18:22:29 : 04/05 18.8%
18:22:53 : 05/06 10.9%
18:23:07 : 06/07 6.3%
18:23:17 : 07/08 3.5%
18:23:23 : 08/09 2.0%
18:23:39 : 09/10 1.1%
18:23:43 : Test finished.

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Total: 9/10 (1.1%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:24:02

File A: file://E:\MP3-sonstiges\Testsamples\BlackBird.wv
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\BlackBird june.mp3

18:24:03 : Test started.
18:24:48 : 01/01 50.0%
18:24:55 : 02/02 25.0%
18:25:02 : 03/03 12.5%
18:25:11 : 04/04 6.3%
18:25:17 : 05/05 3.1%
18:25:23 : 06/06 1.6%
18:25:29 : 07/07 0.8%
18:25:37 : 08/08 0.4%
18:25:43 : 09/09 0.2%
18:25:51 : 10/10 0.1%
18:25:54 : Test finished.

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Total: 10/10 (0.1%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:26:07

File A: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\BlackBird a10.mp3
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\BlackBird june.mp3

18:26:08 : Test started.
18:26:27 : 00/01 100.0%
18:26:50 : 01/02 75.0%
18:27:03 : 02/03 50.0%
18:27:12 : 02/04 68.8%
18:28:39 : 03/05 50.0%
18:28:50 : 04/06 34.4%
18:29:02 : 05/07 22.7%
18:31:48 : 06/08 14.5%
18:31:57 : 06/09 25.4%
18:32:04 : 07/10 17.2%
18:32:09 : Test finished.

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Total: 7/10 (17.2%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:32:21

File A: file://E:\MP3-sonstiges\Testsamples\fatboy.wv
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\fatboy a10.mp3

18:32:22 : Test started.
18:33:56 : 01/01 50.0%
18:34:00 : 02/02 25.0%
18:34:03 : 03/03 12.5%
18:34:07 : 04/04 6.3%
18:34:10 : 05/05 3.1%
18:34:13 : 06/06 1.6%
18:34:17 : 07/07 0.8%
18:34:20 : 08/08 0.4%
18:34:23 : 09/09 0.2%
18:34:26 : 10/10 0.1%
18:34:32 : Test finished.

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Total: 10/10 (0.1%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:34:50

File A: file://E:\MP3-sonstiges\Testsamples\fatboy.wv
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\fatboy june.mp3

18:34:51 : Test started.
18:35:24 : 01/01 50.0%
18:35:27 : 02/02 25.0%
18:35:30 : 03/03 12.5%
18:35:33 : 04/04 6.3%
18:35:39 : 05/05 3.1%
18:35:42 : 06/06 1.6%
18:35:45 : 07/07 0.8%
18:35:48 : 08/08 0.4%
18:35:51 : 09/09 0.2%
18:35:54 : 10/10 0.1%
18:35:59 : Test finished.

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Total: 10/10 (0.1%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:36:51

File A: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\fatboy a10.mp3
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\fatboy june.mp3

18:36:52 : Test started.
18:38:16 : 01/01 50.0%
18:38:21 : 02/02 25.0%
18:38:27 : 03/03 12.5%
18:38:32 : 04/04 6.3%
18:38:42 : 05/05 3.1%
18:38:47 : 06/06 1.6%
18:38:56 : 07/07 0.8%
18:39:15 : 08/08 0.4%
18:39:20 : 09/09 0.2%
18:39:25 : 10/10 0.1%
18:39:27 : Test finished.

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Total: 10/10 (0.1%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:40:05

File A: file://E:\MP3-sonstiges\Testsamples\hihat.wv
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\hihat a10.mp3

18:40:06 : Test started.
18:40:52 : 01/01 50.0%
18:40:56 : 02/02 25.0%
18:41:00 : 03/03 12.5%
18:41:04 : 04/04 6.3%
18:41:07 : 05/05 3.1%
18:41:11 : 06/06 1.6%
18:41:16 : 07/07 0.8%
18:41:20 : 08/08 0.4%
18:41:25 : 09/09 0.2%
18:41:32 : 10/10 0.1%
18:41:36 : Test finished.

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Total: 10/10 (0.1%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:42:03

File A: file://E:\MP3-sonstiges\Testsamples\hihat.wv
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\hihat june.mp3

18:42:03 : Test started.
18:42:15 : 01/01 50.0%
18:42:20 : 02/02 25.0%
18:42:24 : 03/03 12.5%
18:42:28 : 04/04 6.3%
18:42:32 : 05/05 3.1%
18:42:36 : 06/06 1.6%
18:42:47 : 07/07 0.8%
18:42:52 : 08/08 0.4%
18:42:55 : 09/09 0.2%
18:42:59 : 10/10 0.1%
18:43:08 : Test finished.

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Total: 10/10 (0.1%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:43:20

File A: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\hihat a10.mp3
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\hihat june.mp3

18:43:20 : Test started.
18:44:10 : 01/01 50.0%
18:44:16 : 02/02 25.0%
18:44:24 : 03/03 12.5%
18:44:36 : 04/04 6.3%
18:44:43 : 04/05 18.8%
18:44:53 : 05/06 10.9%
18:45:00 : 06/07 6.3%
18:45:09 : 07/08 3.5%
18:45:20 : 08/09 2.0%
18:45:34 : 09/10 1.1%
18:45:35 : Test finished.

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Total: 9/10 (1.1%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:45:57

File A: file://E:\MP3-sonstiges\Testsamples\main_theme.wv
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\main_theme a10.mp3

18:45:59 : Test started.
18:47:35 : 01/01 50.0%
18:47:43 : 02/02 25.0%
18:48:03 : 02/03 50.0%
18:48:20 : 03/04 31.3%
18:48:30 : 04/05 18.8%
18:48:38 : 04/06 34.4%
18:49:58 : 05/07 22.7%
18:50:17 : 05/08 36.3%
18:50:31 : 06/09 25.4%
18:51:23 : 07/10 17.2%
18:51:27 : Test finished.

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Total: 7/10 (17.2%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:51:42

File A: file://E:\MP3-sonstiges\Testsamples\main_theme.wv
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\main_theme june.mp3

18:51:44 : Test started.
18:52:06 : 01/01 50.0%
18:52:13 : 02/02 25.0%
18:52:20 : 03/03 12.5%
18:52:28 : 04/04 6.3%
18:52:36 : 05/05 3.1%
18:52:44 : 06/06 1.6%
18:52:52 : 06/07 6.3%
18:53:22 : 06/08 14.5%
18:53:41 : 07/09 9.0%
18:53:48 : 08/10 5.5%
18:53:50 : Test finished.

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Total: 8/10 (5.5%)

foo_abx v1.2 report
foobar2000 v0.8.3
2005/06/06 18:54:43

File A: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\main_theme a10.mp3
File B: file://D:\Temp\tests\a10 vs june\main_theme june.mp3

18:54:45 : Test started.
18:55:33 : 01/01 50.0%
18:56:46 : 01/02 75.0%
18:57:08 : 02/03 50.0%
18:57:20 : 03/04 31.3%
18:57:34 : 04/05 18.8%
18:57:46 : 05/06 10.9%
18:57:59 : 05/07 22.7%
18:58:17 : 05/08 36.3%
18:58:32 : 06/09 25.4%
18:58:45 : 06/10 37.7%
18:58:47 : Test finished.

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Total: 6/10 (37.7%)


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Open the log, select the text, copy, paste it here. smile.gif

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Hello

I've decided to test the new version at cbr 128. I'm particularly interested in this setting because a website where I upload my songs requires the mp3's to be cbr, and since the offer limited space I want the files to be as small as possible. While testing lame_june against lame 3.97 alpha 10 (compiled from cvs, LAME version 3.97 (alpha 10, Apr 8 2005 12:38:33)) and lame 3.96.1 from Rarewares with this sample (from Infected Mushroom - Never Ever Land) I noticed an annoying glitch. It appears at 0:12.15 in files encoded with alpha 10 and lame_june, but not 3.96.1. Here's the log:
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ABC/HR for Java, Version 0.5a, 06 czerwiec 2005
Testname: im_01

Tester:

1R = D:\render\test\im_01_a10.wav
2L = D:\render\test\im_01_june.wav
3L = D:\render\test\im_01_3961.wav

---------------------------------------
General Comments:
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1R File: D:\render\test\im_01_a10.wav
1R Rating: 2.5
1R Comment:
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2L File: D:\render\test\im_01_june.wav
2L Rating: 2.5
2L Comment:
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3L File: D:\render\test\im_01_3961.wav
3L Rating: 3.5
3L Comment:
---------------------------------------

ABX Results:
D:\render\test\im_01_june.wav vs D:\render\test\im_01_3961.wav
8 out of 8, pval = 0.0030
D:\render\test\im_01_a10.wav vs D:\render\test\im_01_june.wav
5 out of 8, pval = 0.363


---- Detailed ABX results ----
D:\render\test\im_01_june.wav vs D:\render\test\im_01_3961.wav
Playback Range: 11.688 to 19.832
7:02:19 PM p 1/1 pval = 0.5
7:02:22 PM p 2/2 pval = 0.25
7:02:25 PM p 3/3 pval = 0.125
7:02:27 PM p 4/4 pval = 0.062
7:02:30 PM p 5/5 pval = 0.031
7:02:33 PM p 6/6 pval = 0.015
7:02:35 PM p 7/7 pval = 0.0070
7:02:38 PM p 8/8 pval = 0.0030

D:\render\test\im_01_a10.wav vs D:\render\test\im_01_june.wav
Playback Range: 05.514 to 19.832
6:54:32 PM f 0/1 pval = 1.0
6:54:35 PM f 0/2 pval = 1.0
Playback Range: 11.688 to 19.832
6:55:31 PM p 1/3 pval = 0.875
6:55:34 PM f 1/4 pval = 0.937
6:55:38 PM p 2/5 pval = 0.812
6:55:44 PM p 3/6 pval = 0.656
6:55:50 PM p 4/7 pval = 0.5
6:55:54 PM p 5/8 pval = 0.363

I tried abr 128 (and it solves the glitch problem) too, but I failed at ABX'ing different encodes from one another.
I did another test with another sample (from Infected Mushroom - B.P. Empire). The hihats seem very watery and there's some noticeable ringing (is this the right word?). What's interesting, lame_june sounds better for me than alpha 10, and I failed to ABX it from 3.96.1.
The log:
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ABC/HR for Java, Version 0.5a, 06 czerwiec 2005
Testname: im_02

Tester:

1R = D:\render\test\im_02_3961.wav
2R = D:\render\test\im_02_june.wav
3L = D:\render\test\im_02_a10.wav

---------------------------------------
General Comments:
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1R File: D:\render\test\im_02_3961.wav
1R Rating: 3.0
1R Comment:
---------------------------------------
2R File: D:\render\test\im_02_june.wav
2R Rating: 3.0
2R Comment:
---------------------------------------
3L File: D:\render\test\im_02_a10.wav
3L Rating: 2.0
3L Comment:
---------------------------------------

ABX Results:
D:\render\test\im_02_june.wav vs D:\render\test\im_02_a10.wav
8 out of 8, pval = 0.0030
D:\render\test\im_02_3961.wav vs D:\render\test\im_02_a10.wav
8 out of 8, pval = 0.0030


---- Detailed ABX results ----
D:\render\test\im_02_june.wav vs D:\render\test\im_02_a10.wav
Playback Range: 15.111 to 33.653
9:16:06 PM p 1/1 pval = 0.5
9:16:09 PM p 2/2 pval = 0.25
9:16:14 PM p 3/3 pval = 0.125
9:16:16 PM p 4/4 pval = 0.062
9:16:19 PM p 5/5 pval = 0.031
9:16:22 PM p 6/6 pval = 0.015
9:16:25 PM p 7/7 pval = 0.0070
9:16:31 PM p 8/8 pval = 0.0030

D:\render\test\im_02_3961.wav vs D:\render\test\im_02_a10.wav
Playback Range: 15.111 to 33.653
9:14:52 PM p 1/1 pval = 0.5
9:14:54 PM p 2/2 pval = 0.25
9:14:56 PM p 3/3 pval = 0.125
9:14:59 PM p 4/4 pval = 0.062
9:15:04 PM p 5/5 pval = 0.031
9:15:07 PM p 6/6 pval = 0.015
9:15:10 PM p 7/7 pval = 0.0070
9:15:13 PM p 8/8 pval = 0.0030

I'll try to do some more tests as soon as I gain access to my other CDs.

edit: following ChiGung's suggestion changed code, to codeboxes, so the post isn't that long

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post Jun 6 2005, 21:15
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QUOTE (Mo0zOoH @ Jun 6 2005, 09:55 PM)
Open the log, select the text, copy, paste it here. smile.gif
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i don't like posting kilometer long logs, i would like to attatch them like guru laugh.gif

oooh i forgot to mention, i tested again cbr 128, with no switches


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Perhaps use [codebox] instead of [code]

Great testing'

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CODE
WinABX v0.42 test report
06/06/2005 22:18:02

A file: D:\Downloads\Programs\APE music\01 trumpet lame 3.97a10 --abr 128.wav
B file: D:\Downloads\Programs\APE music\02 trumpet lame.june --abr 128.wav


Start position 00:02.0, end position 00:10.0
22:23:00    1/1  p=50.0%
22:23:11    2/2  p=25.0%
22:23:21    3/3  p=12.5%
22:23:32    4/4  p=6.2%
22:23:49    5/5  p=3.1%
22:23:57    6/6  p=1.6%
22:24:05    7/7  p=0.8%
22:24:19    8/8  p=0.4%
22:24:27    9/9  p=0.2%
22:24:36  10/10  p< 0.1%


As noted, samples tested are Trumpet at --abr 128 with lame 3.97a10 and lame june.

Both samples sound very distorted but lame june is the least distorted, 3.97a10 is the worst.

- The same result is obtained with cbr 128 (10/10).
- The same result is obtained with abr 160 (10/10).
- I was able to ABX 10/10 the original trumpet.wav against lame a97a10 --abr 190, but I am unable to ABX trumpet.wav against lame.june --abr 190, or lame a97a10 --abr 190 against lame.june --abr 190. I might try again after some rest.

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post Jun 9 2005, 08:40
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LAME_JUNE :: ABR 128 :: CLASSICAL SAMPLES

I'm very busy at work, and I can only post raw results.

Encoders tested:
• lame 3.96.1
• lame 3.97 alpha10
• lame_june

Samples: 15 classical music samples (my usual suit, uploaded many time, and probably still here.

Results:






ABX logs: http://audiotests.free.fr/tests/2005.06...lassical_128.7z

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post Jun 9 2005, 08:43
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LAME_JUNE :: ABR 128 :: VARIOUS SAMPLES

I'm very busy at work, and I can only post raw results.

Encoders tested:
• lame 3.96.1
• lame 3.97 alpha10
• lame_june

Samples: 15 various music samples (most are coming from ff123, other from Roberto's collective tests).

Results:






ABX logs: http://audiotests.free.fr/tests/2005.06..._various_128.7z


Many thanks to Roberto for his help about plots.

I'll try to post comments later.

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post Jun 13 2005, 11:34
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the extreme preset raises the volume to high, standard preset doesn't do that....is this a bug or preconfigured behavior ?
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post Jun 13 2005, 14:33
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QUOTE (NIN9 @ Jun 13 2005, 05:34 AM)
the extreme preset raises the volume to high, standard preset doesn't do that....is this a bug or preconfigured behavior ?
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It doesn't do this with any files I've tried. The resulting dB levels are identical.

Could you upload or link to any examples that exhibit this behavior? EDIT: (Portions of the original wav's, of course, not the mp3's.)

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Madrigal

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