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GoaTrancer
post May 29 2005, 15:15
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Okay I have a copy of Dave Tippers Surrounded and I was wondering how I could copy and convert the DVD-Audio part (NOT THE ONE IN THE VIDEO_TS THE REAL DVD-AUDIO PART, I already know how to extract ac3 from vob and convert it!).
Also it seems to have some copy protection called MMCP or something like that, is there a way to get rid of that ?
note: if i asked something stupid, or asked something wrong please don't flame me, as I'm totaly new to DVD-Audio!
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Jebus
post May 29 2005, 16:10
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You can burn non-encrypted dvd-audio (the encryption is optional).
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post May 30 2005, 10:54
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QUOTE (Jebus @ May 29 2005, 04:10 PM)
You can burn non-encrypted dvd-audio (the encryption is optional).
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So if it's at least possible to encrypt using available software, does that mean in the future someone can work out a way to make it possible to unencrypt commercial discs?
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post May 30 2005, 11:59
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QUOTE (tgoose @ May 30 2005, 10:54 AM)
does that mean in the future someone can work out a way to make it possible to unencrypt commercial discs?
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No, that does not mean unencryption will be possible.

In my opinion, unencrypting of CPPM should not happen. Nowadays, there is the SACD versus DVD-Audio race. My vote is for DVD-Audio. If unencyption of commercial DVD-Audio discs would be possible, the big music labels would not prefer no more the DVD-Audio format, and SACD would get the preference.
So in order to spread DVD-Audio format, it's better to not unencrypt DVD-Audio.
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post May 31 2005, 05:53
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QUOTE (batagy @ May 30 2005, 02:59 AM)
QUOTE (tgoose @ May 30 2005, 10:54 AM)
does that mean in the future someone can work out a way to make it possible to unencrypt commercial discs?
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No, that does not mean unencryption will be possible.

In my opinion, unencrypting of CPPM should not happen. Nowadays, there is the SACD versus DVD-Audio race. My vote is for DVD-Audio. If unencyption of commercial DVD-Audio discs would be possible, the big music labels would not prefer no more the DVD-Audio format, and SACD would get the preference.
So in order to spread DVD-Audio format, it's better to not unencrypt DVD-Audio.
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SACD vs. DVD-Audio is a race that nobody cares about. Remember that LPs outsell SACD and DVD-Audio COMBINED in 2005. They are both technically somewhat interesting and commercially a bad joke. I really doubt that merely unencrypting either format can save them from the DAT/8-track/DCC/Elcasette dustbin of audio debacles.


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post May 31 2005, 10:45
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QUOTE (DigitalMan @ May 31 2005, 04:53 AM)
SACD vs. DVD-Audio is a race that nobody cares about.  Remember that LPs outsell SACD and DVD-Audio COMBINED in 2005.  They are both technically somewhat interesting and commercially a bad joke.  I really doubt that merely unencrypting either format can save them from the DAT/8-track/DCC/Elcasette dustbin of audio debacles.
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...which means that we might have seen the last global physical audio format: the CD. That's it. End of the physical media story. It's lossy stereo audio files from now on.

That would be quite sad, because multichannel, done well, is fantastic. Not that you find much fantastic multichannel on DVD-A! Also, only having lossy content available would be a great shame!


It would be interesting if some audiophile record companies could "make a go" of a dedicated high quality audio format. It would have to be based on DVD-V or DVD-A (or CD!), but without some of the red tape, and with much better use of multichannel than conventional 5.1.

You see, it's often said that audiophiles aren't a large enough number of people to support an audio format (so SACD and DVD-A are both doomed) - but surely there are enough people who care about quality to allow a niche product (that piggybacks on something mainstream) to survive? If it can be read, decoded, and played in a standard PC with a 2 or 3 of stereo sound cards, that's a good start!

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post May 31 2005, 12:24
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QUOTE (2Bdecided @ May 31 2005, 01:45 AM)
...which means that we might have seen the last global physical audio format: the CD. That's it. End of the physical media story. It's lossy stereo audio files from now on.

That would be quite sad, because multichannel, done well, is fantastic. Not that you find much fantastic multichannel on DVD-A! Also, only having lossy content available would be a great shame!


Sound can just as well be multichannel and "non-lossy" (there is some loss of information anyway i guess, you aren't going to get unlimited sample-rate) without a physical media? Playing it on computers just makes it more felxible, 5.1 not good enough? release 7.1, all you need is a small software-upgrade (and new amp and speakers biggrin.gif)

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