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GoaTrancer
post May 29 2005, 15:15
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Okay I have a copy of Dave Tippers Surrounded and I was wondering how I could copy and convert the DVD-Audio part (NOT THE ONE IN THE VIDEO_TS THE REAL DVD-AUDIO PART, I already know how to extract ac3 from vob and convert it!).
Also it seems to have some copy protection called MMCP or something like that, is there a way to get rid of that ?
note: if i asked something stupid, or asked something wrong please don't flame me, as I'm totaly new to DVD-Audio!
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qristus
post May 31 2005, 10:49
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Just wondering, where is the decryption being done in standalone players? Surely it can't be integrated into the DAC? Because as long as it's being done before the data reaches the DAC all you need to do is:

- Find the signal and clock signal pins coming into the DAC
- Solder on a S/PDIF encoding chip and connector

and you have a player with an unrestricted S/PDIF out. While this obviously isn't something the average consumer is prepared to do, it's not exactly rocket science either - anyone with some electronics skills and an oscilloscope should be able to do it (although I guess you might need special soldering tools depending on the DAC's packaging, and perhaps they add extra-special tamper-proofing like a big sign above the DAC saying "this is not a DAC").

This doesn't defeat any watermarking, of course, but really - who cares? As far as I know, you can still pay cash at a music store, and nobody is going to ask for your name and address :-)

This just illustrates what I've always found to be the major problem with copy protection - the only ones who suffers from it are the consumers. With sufficient dedication, any protection can be removed. As soon as it's removed, any copies made are hassle-free, while the people who want to "do the right thing" have to jump through hoops to use the content they paid for in the way they want to - if they're able to at all.

Seriously - I have two copy-protected CDs which I've been forced to make copies of to be able to play them in my standalone DVD player. When you're selling a product which can be copied without hassle (it took me about 15 minutes in total) but refuses to play back - the purpose for which it was presumably intended - I think there's something seriously flawed with your business logic.
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- GoaTrancer   How to grab DVD-Audio?   May 29 2005, 15:15
- - Cyaneyes   If you succeed at ripping it, please let us know. ...   May 29 2005, 15:22
- - Borisz   What Cyaneyes said. The DVD Audio part is heavily ...   May 29 2005, 15:26
- - tgoose   If it's possible to burn DVD Audio, how come w...   May 29 2005, 16:09
- - Jebus   You can burn non-encrypted dvd-audio (the encrypti...   May 29 2005, 16:10
|- - tgoose   QUOTE (Jebus @ May 29 2005, 04:10 PM)You can ...   May 30 2005, 10:54
|- - batagy   QUOTE (tgoose @ May 30 2005, 10:54 AM)does th...   May 30 2005, 11:59
||- - ATWindsor   QUOTE (batagy @ May 30 2005, 02:59 AM)QUOTE (...   May 30 2005, 12:24
|||- - Defsac   QUOTE (ATWindsor @ May 30 2005, 09:24 PM)They...   May 30 2005, 12:49
|||- - Synaptic Line Noise   QUOTE (ATWindsor @ May 30 2005, 06:24 AM)They...   May 30 2005, 20:06
|||- - mickywicky   Forgive the potentially stupid question, but... ho...   May 30 2005, 22:51
|||- - blackstripe   QUOTE (mickywicky @ May 30 2005, 01:51 PM)For...   May 30 2005, 23:50
|||- - Cygnus X1   QUOTE (blackstripe @ May 30 2005, 05:50 PM)QU...   May 31 2005, 00:05
||- - DigitalMan   QUOTE (batagy @ May 30 2005, 02:59 AM)QUOTE (...   May 31 2005, 05:53
||- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (DigitalMan @ May 31 2005, 04:53 AM)SAC...   May 31 2005, 10:45
||- - ATWindsor   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ May 31 2005, 01:45 AM)...w...   May 31 2005, 12:24
||- - krabapple   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ May 31 2005, 01:45 AM)QUOT...   May 31 2005, 20:44
||- - 2Bdecided   QUOTE (krabapple @ May 31 2005, 07:44 PM)Hard...   Jun 1 2005, 11:11
||- - krabapple   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jun 1 2005, 02:11 AM)QUOTE...   Jun 2 2005, 06:19
|- - Defsac   QUOTE (tgoose @ May 30 2005, 07:54 PM)So if i...   May 30 2005, 12:06
- - Mono   QUOTE (GoaTrancer @ May 29 2005, 09:15 AM)Als...   May 29 2005, 19:23
- - cynix   You can also digitally record it with some modifie...   May 29 2005, 21:23
- - mandel   QUOTE (ATWindsor @ May 30 2005, 12:24 PM)They...   May 30 2005, 14:04
|- - ATWindsor   QUOTE (mandel)At least on SACD you can rip the Red...   May 30 2005, 14:15
|- - Defsac   QUOTE (mandel @ May 30 2005, 11:04 PM)The rec...   May 30 2005, 14:36
- - Lyx   buying DVD-audio = "i dont need portability...   May 30 2005, 23:05
- - Jojo   there's one thing I've always wondered abo...   May 31 2005, 00:05
|- - Cygnus X1   QUOTE (Jojo @ May 30 2005, 06:05 PM)ANd here...   May 31 2005, 01:32
||- - krabapple   QUOTE (Cygnus X1 @ May 30 2005, 04:32 PM)Mora...   May 31 2005, 20:47
|- - batagy   QUOTE (Jojo @ May 31 2005, 12:05 AM)Also, are...   May 31 2005, 10:41
- - cynix   Is there a way to rip unencrypted DVD-A then?   May 31 2005, 10:19
|- - batagy   QUOTE (cynix @ May 31 2005, 10:19 AM)Is there...   May 31 2005, 10:44
|- - cynix   QUOTE (batagy @ May 31 2005, 08:44 PM)Though ...   May 31 2005, 12:04
|- - batagy   QUOTE (cynix @ May 31 2005, 12:04 PM)But then...   May 31 2005, 12:17
|- - GeSomeone   QUOTE (batagy @ May 31 2005, 01:17 PM)At the ...   Jun 2 2005, 12:27
- - qristus   Just wondering, where is the decryption being done...   May 31 2005, 10:49
|- - cynix   QUOTE (qristus @ May 31 2005, 08:49 PM)Just w...   May 31 2005, 11:34
|- - Defsac   QUOTE (qristus @ May 31 2005, 07:49 PM)Just w...   May 31 2005, 12:34
- - archagon   Wouldn't it be possible to create a reader tha...   Jun 2 2005, 16:44
- - rjamorim   HOHOHOHO!!!! http://www.rarewares...   Jul 4 2005, 18:07
- - Hamman   Now that's really cool! Does it rip the ML...   Jul 4 2005, 22:44
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Hamman @ Jul 4 2005, 06:44 PM)Now that...   Jul 4 2005, 23:24
|- - skamp   QUOTE (Hamman @ Jul 4 2005, 10:44 PM)Does it ...   Jul 5 2005, 14:38
|- - Cyaneyes   QUOTE (skamp @ Jul 5 2005, 09:38 AM)You then ...   Jul 5 2005, 15:34
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (skamp @ Jul 5 2005, 10:38 AM)In the en...   Jul 5 2005, 16:19
- - unfortunateson   anyone had success in ripping DVD-A content with t...   Jul 5 2005, 04:03
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (unfortunateson @ Jul 5 2005, 12:03 AM)...   Jul 5 2005, 10:39
- - guruboolez   Wow! It's a bad new for the DVD forum (but...   Jul 5 2005, 16:25
- - kl33per   Well I'll be buying a DVD-Audio disc tomorrow.   Jul 5 2005, 17:02
- - rjamorim   It would be awesome if the format actually became ...   Jul 5 2005, 17:08
- - skamp   Note: I can't upload the sample in the uploads...   Jul 5 2005, 17:28
- - rjamorim   If it's smaller than 9Mb, send it to my e-mail...   Jul 5 2005, 17:30
|- - skamp   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Jul 5 2005, 05:30 PM)If it...   Jul 5 2005, 17:43
- - kl33per   Just found my Creative sampler disc, but am unable...   Jul 5 2005, 17:47
- - rjamorim   Here we go! http://www.rarewares.org/rja/Yes-...   Jul 5 2005, 17:48
- - Cyaneyes   QUOTE I'm not sure what I have to do to test i...   Jul 5 2005, 18:00
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Cyaneyes @ Jul 5 2005, 02:00 PM)Downsa...   Jul 5 2005, 18:04
||- - johny5   QUOTE That's so evil... I still don't und...   Jul 5 2005, 18:19
||- - breez   Maybe the sample was originated from 48KHz master....   Jul 5 2005, 18:45
||- - skamp   QUOTE (breez @ Jul 5 2005, 06:45 PM)Maybe the...   Jul 5 2005, 19:05
|- - skamp   QUOTE (Cyaneyes @ Jul 5 2005, 06:00 PM)Downsa...   Jul 5 2005, 18:07
|- - Cyaneyes   QUOTE (skamp @ Jul 5 2005, 01:07 PM)QUOTE (Cy...   Jul 5 2005, 18:19
|- - skamp   QUOTE (Cyaneyes @ Jul 5 2005, 06:19 PM)Conver...   Jul 5 2005, 19:08
|- - Cyaneyes   QUOTE (skamp @ Jul 5 2005, 02:08 PM)QUOTE (Cy...   Jul 5 2005, 19:20
|- - BoNeLeSS   QUOTE (Cyaneyes @ Jul 5 2005, 07:20 PM)Do you...   Jul 5 2005, 19:57
|- - skamp   QUOTE (Cyaneyes @ Jul 5 2005, 07:20 PM)Do you...   Jul 5 2005, 20:30
- - unfortunateson   I used DVDAExplorer on my NIN Downward Spiral Dual...   Jul 5 2005, 18:56
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (unfortunateson @ Jul 5 2005, 02:56 PM)...   Jul 5 2005, 19:00
- - unfortunateson   Not quite what I was expecting, I thought that mos...   Jul 5 2005, 19:02
- - Cyaneyes   Downward Spiral DVD-A is 48khz. I believe that...   Jul 5 2005, 19:05
- - unfortunateson   QUOTE (skamp @ Jul 5 2005, 11:05 AM)QUOTE (br...   Jul 5 2005, 19:09
- - Cyaneyes   I wouldn't say it's butchered. Maybe they...   Jul 5 2005, 20:36
|- - skamp   QUOTE (Cyaneyes @ Jul 5 2005, 08:36 PM)I woul...   Jul 5 2005, 21:14
- - NumLOCK   How long before some wizard disassembles the windv...   Jul 5 2005, 20:52
- - unfortunateson   Question: PPCMripper says it won't extract mul...   Jul 5 2005, 21:04
- - unfortunateson   QUOTE (skamp @ Jul 5 2005, 01:14 PM)QUOTE (Cy...   Jul 5 2005, 21:24
|- - skamp   QUOTE (unfortunateson @ Jul 5 2005, 09:24 PM)...   Jul 5 2005, 21:39
- - unfortunateson   It would be more like selling somebody a CD-DA wit...   Jul 5 2005, 21:55
- - Raptus   How come this hasn't been slashdotted yet?   Jul 5 2005, 21:55
- - unfortunateson   How come some of these programs have had versions ...   Jul 5 2005, 21:56
- - skamp   OK, my webspace is available again, so I uploaded ...   Jul 5 2005, 23:19
- - unfortunateson   Now we can start authentic DVD-A ABX tests.   Jul 5 2005, 23:30
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Raptus @ Jul 5 2005, 05:55 PM)How come...   Jul 6 2005, 00:27
- - tgoose   So the Doors sample shows that it is definitely ca...   Jul 6 2005, 00:34
- - joey_m   Hope I'm not talking too much nonsense, but do...   Jul 6 2005, 01:48
|- - Cyaneyes   QUOTE (joey_m @ Jul 5 2005, 08:48 PM)Hope I...   Jul 6 2005, 02:48
- - kl33per   Does anyone else have the Creative DVD-Audio sampl...   Jul 6 2005, 03:25
|- - RotAtoR   QUOTE (kl33per @ Jul 5 2005, 10:25 PM)Does an...   Jul 6 2005, 03:37
- - kl33per   Well obviously I'm doing something wrong, beca...   Jul 6 2005, 04:08
|- - RotAtoR   QUOTE (kl33per @ Jul 5 2005, 11:08 PM)Well ob...   Jul 6 2005, 04:30
- - rjamorim   Hoho. Got announced at Doom9's home page. I g...   Jul 6 2005, 04:26
|- - skamp   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Jul 6 2005, 04:26 AM)Hoho. ...   Jul 6 2005, 04:33
- - kl33per   I never see the "Ripping 6-ch PPCM track to f...   Jul 6 2005, 04:41
- - Erukian   My brother has the Audigy 2 ZS + creative sampler ...   Jul 6 2005, 05:31
- - unfortunateson   So how do I rip Multichannel? PPCMripper will o...   Jul 6 2005, 05:40
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (unfortunateson @ Jul 6 2005, 01:40 AM)...   Jul 6 2005, 05:49
- - unfortunateson   I can't get it out of two channel mode - proba...   Jul 6 2005, 05:59
- - grug   Those with Audigy 2 problems, did you notice the Q...   Jul 6 2005, 06:03
- - kl33per   Yep, didn't change anything. Edit: Somehow it...   Jul 6 2005, 06:06
- - daphy   Ive read that the Creative Audigy 4 supports DVD-...   Jul 6 2005, 06:06
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