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layer3maniac
post Nov 25 2001, 02:38
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Bearing in mind that both MPC and PsyTEL AAC are 'closed' codecs, at least from the encoder standpoint, and that PsyTEL, unless I am mistaken is not even meant to be in 'free' circulation, wouldn't there be some mileage in some of the brains involved in the tuning of Lame diverting the attention to FAAC?

I realise that binary distribution of FAAC is 'verboten' in the patent context, but the source is freely available and compiles very readily with MinGW32 and other free compilers.

Are there any points I am missing here other than the lack of binary distrubtions? Although, that does not seem to preclude other patent/copyright bound codecs finding there way into distribution through the back door!!

Anybody any views on this? I applaud all the efforts in relation to Lame improvements, it would just be nice to see similar efforts being put into emerging technologies. Before anyone asks, I don't have either the degree of programming skills required, nor the knowledge of audio compression techniques, otherwise I'd be there.
I have wondered this as well. Why does NOBODY seem interested in working on tuning FAAC? Even Ivan, for that matter? Obviously, he could lend a GREAT DEAL of expertise in this matter. He relies on FAAD a great deal, perhaps he could contribute something back to Menno's encoder. I've never really been clear on PsyTEL's business plan, but surely FAAC, even if it's well tuned, wouldn't pose a real threat to steal any corporate customers since they would have to scrounge around for binaries and wouldn't really have ANY tech support.
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Ivan Dimkovic
post Nov 25 2001, 19:04
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I advise everyone to take a look at the 1998 snapshot of the FhG IIS website related to AAC:

http://web.archive.org/web/19981206125458/...cfaq/index.html

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Q: Will there be a free decoder?   
    A: No. There is a public decoder source code available via MPEG but even when you use this public code, royalties have to be paid to the patent holders. For details on licensing, consult fhg.. Additionally, MPEG provides an encoder source code. This encoder is mainly intended to facilitate decoder development and does not provide AAC-like quality. 


Conclusion: From the very beginning of AAC commercial history (AAC was standardized in 1997) it was IMPOSSIBLE to make free decoder. This is not the case with MP3, because Mr. Brandenburg already stated that FhG has no intention to 'hunt' free, non-for-profit unlicensed MP3 decoders.
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- layer3maniac   FAAC, LAME, Opensource and Legality   Nov 25 2001, 02:38
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by layer3maniac I have w...   Nov 25 2001, 04:07
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE Considering the fact that AAC is so encumber...   Nov 25 2001, 04:33
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by layer3maniac What leg...   Nov 25 2001, 05:03
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE If you have followed the history of FAAC som...   Nov 25 2001, 05:28
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE If you have followed the history of FAAC som...   Nov 25 2001, 05:35
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by layer3maniac So what?...   Nov 25 2001, 05:51
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by Dibrom If you have fol...   Nov 25 2001, 05:54
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE Hardly, but if you would like to show me the...   Nov 25 2001, 06:09
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by layer3maniac Furthermo...   Nov 25 2001, 06:32
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE I hardly think that people who disagree with...   Nov 25 2001, 07:34
- - Dibrom   layer3maniac: I'm not going to continue bother ar...   Nov 25 2001, 07:50
- - Ivan Dimkovic   QUOTE Originally posted by layer3maniac I think e...   Nov 25 2001, 08:46
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE Regarding optimized free opensource AAC enco...   Nov 25 2001, 10:23
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by layer3maniac It's not...   Nov 25 2001, 10:44
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE   For one, the binaries of AAC are cert...   Nov 25 2001, 11:18
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by layer3maniac There ar...   Nov 25 2001, 11:35
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE You are missing something here.  Yes, t...   Nov 25 2001, 16:36
- - Ivan Dimkovic   No one here wants to put LAME binaries because it ...   Nov 25 2001, 16:57
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by layer3maniac I'm star...   Nov 25 2001, 17:21
- - Ivan Dimkovic   Ok people - there are three legal (more or less) d...   Nov 25 2001, 17:34
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE LOL!  Ok, you're telling me that I need...   Nov 25 2001, 17:40
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE Freeware AAC is doomed from the start as far...   Nov 25 2001, 17:44
- - JohnV   QUOTE Originally posted by layer3maniac Study the...   Nov 25 2001, 17:50
- - Dibrom   Geez... do you even read what people post before...   Nov 25 2001, 17:59
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE At this time, it seems there are no patent i...   Nov 25 2001, 17:59
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by layer3maniac How many...   Nov 25 2001, 18:01
- - Ivan Dimkovic   QUOTE Ivan suggested that it is a waste to work on...   Nov 25 2001, 18:04
- - layer3maniac   See Dibrom, unlike you I didn't NEED Ivan to tell...   Nov 25 2001, 18:20
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE Imagine you work on something that nobody is...   Nov 25 2001, 18:26
- - Ivan Dimkovic   Small clarification - FhG DID MP3 >E N C O D E ...   Nov 25 2001, 18:29
- - JohnV   QUOTE Dibrom wrote: A freeware ISO AAC implementat...   Nov 25 2001, 18:35
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE - FhG never hunted free decoders Tell that t...   Nov 25 2001, 18:36
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by layer3maniac As I star...   Nov 25 2001, 18:37
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE Dolby isn't fighting free ISO aac implementa...   Nov 25 2001, 18:39
- - JohnV   QUOTE Originally posted by layer3maniac Dolby is...   Nov 25 2001, 18:49
- - Ivan Dimkovic   QUOTE Originally posted by layer3maniac Dolby is...   Nov 25 2001, 18:49
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE Oh please.. that's about the most pathetic e...   Nov 25 2001, 18:49
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by layer3maniac Gee Dibr...   Nov 25 2001, 18:58
- - JohnV   QUOTE Originally posted by layer3maniac Gee Dibr...   Nov 25 2001, 18:59
- - Ivan Dimkovic   I advise everyone to take a look at the 1998 snaps...   Nov 25 2001, 19:04
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE Ok, layer3maniac, this is going totally off-...   Nov 25 2001, 19:04
- - Ivan Dimkovic   Also, for you and Tord regarding MP3 DECODERS: ht...   Nov 25 2001, 19:14
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE We have been talking about free ISO AAC. Tha...   Nov 25 2001, 19:17
- - JohnV   Ok, messages containg Off-Topic or personal things...   Nov 25 2001, 19:20
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE Conclusion: From the very beginning of AAC c...   Nov 25 2001, 19:22
- - JohnV   QUOTE Originally posted by layer3maniac Opensour...   Nov 25 2001, 19:26
- - Dibrom   layer3maniac: Enough of this. You are not longer...   Nov 25 2001, 19:28
- - Ivan Dimkovic   You know what I mean: A LEGAL free decoder, and th...   Nov 25 2001, 19:28
- - JohnV   QUOTE Originally posted by layer3maniac Impossib...   Nov 25 2001, 19:32
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE Lame and free ISO AAC are not treated the sa...   Nov 25 2001, 19:36
- - Dibrom   Thread locked.   Nov 25 2001, 20:00


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