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Car radio supporting Ogg?, Why still don't exist?
Alexxander
post Dec 9 2004, 15:05
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I have looked everywhere on the Internet (I think). I looked on major search engines, forums and on trademark sites and couldn't find any car radio which supports ogg or flac. Well, I did, just one, Kenwood Music Keg based on Phatnoise box. It's based on cartridges but I am actually looking for a car radio supporting CD's with Ogg, or even better: supporting DVD with Ogg. Neither did I find car radios with integrated DVD supporting mp3. It should be much cheaper to produce than Phatnoise based ones.

It should be simple and cheap to implement since there are several portable players supporting ogg out there. Why still don't exist CD- or DVD-car radios supporting Ogg? Any ideas about why or upcoming models?

Please correct me if I missed existent models.

Thx in advance
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Supacon
post Mar 23 2006, 23:49
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It seems that manufacturers like to claim that their firmware is upgradable as a key selling feature, but when their users actually want to see an upgrade, they don't quickly go about getting around to it. I suppose they'd rather focus R&D on developing new products. Upgrading firmware probably doesn't sell a lot of units. Once you've bought it, you've bought it.

In some instances, I might be willing to actually pay a small fee for a firmware upgrade, but I don't think that it's really fair to sell "Lifetime upgradability" as a feature, then be expected to fork over more money when a new version comes out.
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post Apr 21 2006, 06:32
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QUOTE (Supacon @ Mar 23 2006, 03:49 PM) *
It seems that manufacturers like to claim that their firmware is upgradable as a key selling feature, but when their users actually want to see an upgrade, they don't quickly go about getting around to it. I suppose they'd rather focus R&D on developing new products. Upgrading firmware probably doesn't sell a lot of units. Once you've bought it, you've bought it.

In some instances, I might be willing to actually pay a small fee for a firmware upgrade, but I don't think that it's really fair to sell "Lifetime upgradability" as a feature, then be expected to fork over more money when a new version comes out.



where's Rockbox when I need it? I'm gonna start writing the companies that make car stereos and requesting support for Vorbis. I'm guessing that others have before, but it can't hurt to have one more potential customer asking for it.
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post May 15 2006, 00:37
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I am happy to report that the JVC KD-G720 and KD-G820 (at the very least) support Ogg Vorbis playback. biggrin.gif

I went into Best Buy today with my USB thumb-drive armed with one MP3 and one OGG (both VBR, relatively high-quality, but I forget the exact specs), and they both worked like a charm. Check the photo below; sorry for the crappy Treo camera-phone quality:



The song is Nebula - "So it Goes." Notice that the file name is truncated in the display - annoying, but probably not a show-stopper.

The -720 is going for $189.99 at Best Buy right now. The -820 (shown in the photo) is pretty much the same but has a high-res animated display. The JVC literature, as you might expect, says absolutely nothing about Ogg Vorbis support.

Alpine and Kenwood also make units with USB ports, but theirs are both accessible through cables on the back, and the Best Buy drones had wired an iPod and a Creative Zen respectively into their display - and as we know, neither of these support Ogg Vorbis because they suck. I couldn't find anyone knowledgeable to ask about trying them out (no surprise there). Maybe I'll try again later when I have more time to haggle, or see if I can find some of those units at a local stereo place.

If anyone has a chance to try any of the other USB units in a store I suggest it, and we'd all like to hear the results...
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- Alexxander   Car radio supporting Ogg?   Dec 9 2004, 15:05
- - hangman   Well if it does exist (haven't seen such a thi...   Dec 9 2004, 15:34
- - Teqnilogik   My guess is because the average consumer doesn...   Dec 9 2004, 15:41
- - kotrtim   Oh Please don't give up Keep checking this top...   Dec 11 2004, 03:36
|- - rjamorim   QUOTE (kotrtim @ Dec 10 2004, 11:36 PM)Oh Ple...   Dec 12 2004, 00:42
|- - slippyC   I would much prefer upgradability/expandibility an...   Dec 12 2004, 02:22
- - Otto42   Generally, car stereo and other hardware manufactu...   Dec 11 2004, 07:27
|- - Alexxander   QUOTE (Otto42 @ Dec 11 2004, 08:27 AM)General...   Dec 12 2004, 00:16
- - indybrett   Be not troubled... It is in the works, and I will...   Dec 12 2004, 03:11
- - Calufraxis   I would upgrade car radio immediately if I could f...   Dec 30 2004, 15:59
- - Lucem   Wouldn't be better if someone come with an in...   Jan 2 2005, 05:21
- - jakamoko   This might be of interest: Yakumo Car Radio It...   Sep 24 2005, 21:32
- - Nero   In my old car I had an 80GB Kenwood Music Keg, and...   Sep 24 2005, 22:50
- - rompel   Also worth mentioning is the Empeg/RioCar. The al...   Sep 25 2005, 00:32
- - de Mon   You can buy VW Golf next year . Since next year ...   Sep 25 2005, 00:57
- - Mr_Rabid_Teddybear   For selfbuilding projects there's Cajun, as Ca...   Sep 25 2005, 01:19
- - VEG   Ural ConceRt CDD plays Ogg Vorbis. http://www.cdd...   Jan 4 2006, 01:02
- - suhrim   QUOTE (Alexxander @ Dec 9 2004, 02:05 PM)Neit...   Jan 4 2006, 01:23
|- - SlowPulse   QUOTE (suhrim @ Jan 3 2006, 04:23 PM)QUOTE (A...   Apr 2 2006, 10:55
- - Thoifl   Some companies are really strange. In Germany a b...   Jan 7 2006, 14:39
|- - Triza   QUOTE (Thoifl @ Jan 7 2006, 05:39 AM)Some com...   Jan 7 2006, 21:11
|- - zilexa   QUOTE (Thoifl @ Jan 7 2006, 02:39 PM)Some com...   Jan 15 2006, 21:46
|- - HbG   QUOTE (zilexa @ Jan 15 2006, 12:46) This ...   Jun 27 2006, 22:45
- - Hanky   The brand name is most probably Tevion. You can f...   Jan 7 2006, 21:25
- - Triza   Thanks Hanky   Jan 8 2006, 10:28
- - Thoifl   QUOTE (Hanky @ Jan 7 2006, 09:25 PM)The brand...   Jan 8 2006, 12:35
- - HotshotGG   QUOTE This is true! it's a very low price ...   Jan 15 2006, 22:28
- - seantellis   The Tevion unit seems to be the same as the Yakumo...   Mar 2 2006, 16:44
- - Supacon   It seems that manufacturers like to claim that the...   Mar 23 2006, 23:49
|- - tsioc   QUOTE (Supacon @ Mar 23 2006, 03:49 PM) I...   Apr 21 2006, 06:32
|- - blandoon   I am happy to report that the JVC KD-G720 and KD-G...   May 15 2006, 00:37
|- - pepoluan   QUOTE (tsioc @ Apr 21 2006, 12:32) I...   May 16 2006, 07:36
- - vinnie97   Great find! I wish Alpine would support Vorbi...   May 15 2006, 10:13
- - tycho   Interesting that the JVC player supports Vorbis. H...   May 15 2006, 11:00
- - LongJohn   Dear All, Try this: Yakumo Hypersound:- http:/...   May 15 2006, 13:12
- - vinnie97   That's unfortunate, Tycho. Since I only have ...   May 15 2006, 21:27
|- - blandoon   For what it's worth, I did try popping off the...   May 16 2006, 05:15
- - halb27   Can you consider using a mobile DAP in the car (Lu...   May 16 2006, 07:50
- - pepoluan   halb27: Actually I personally prefer using my iPaq...   May 16 2006, 08:09
- - vinnie97   As a followup on this thread, I visited Best Buy y...   Jul 12 2006, 10:38
|- - Aikidoka   QUOTE (vinnie97 @ Jul 12 2006, 04:38) How...   Sep 12 2006, 17:28
- - kritip   Those JVC's were using the additional KS-PD100...   Jul 12 2006, 12:02
- - vinnie97   No, it's even simpler than that! The KS-P...   Jul 12 2006, 12:30
- - kritip   Ah I see, and that unit has undocumented vorbis su...   Jul 12 2006, 12:39
- - themaiday   So blandoon, can you recommend the radio? Does it...   Aug 8 2006, 14:10
- - vinnie97   I know that question wasn't directed at me but...   Aug 8 2006, 17:24
- - themaiday   I just need a reliable vorbis car player. whaat ab...   Aug 8 2006, 23:31
- - vinnie97   I've only connected my 4GB Nano and 1GB Iaudio...   Aug 9 2006, 00:14
- - themaiday   QUOTE (vinnie97 @ Aug 8 2006, 17:14) I do...   Aug 9 2006, 20:34
- - vinnie97   I didn't bookmark it. I found it through googl...   Aug 10 2006, 02:36
- - vinnie97   As another followup, I should mention that the JVC...   Sep 8 2006, 04:46
|- - pepoluan   QUOTE (vinnie97 @ Sep 8 2006, 10:46) As a...   Sep 8 2006, 18:38
- - pepoluan   I'd rather not have bluetooth head unit. It in...   Sep 13 2006, 15:08
|- - Aikidoka   QUOTE (pepoluan @ Sep 13 2006, 10:08) I...   Sep 13 2006, 17:19
||- - pepoluan   QUOTE (Aikidoka @ Sep 13 2006, 23:19) QUO...   Sep 13 2006, 17:33
|- - Mitch 1 2   QUOTE (pepoluan @ Sep 14 2006, 00:08) I...   Nov 26 2006, 15:28
- - Aikidoka   Xiph updated their hardware page. The NS-C5111 is...   Sep 21 2006, 17:37
- - batty   I'm desperately looking for a new car stereo, ...   Nov 25 2006, 15:42
- - batty   I've found on http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/...   Nov 25 2006, 20:10
- - batty   I went into Halfords today as they have Car Stereo...   Nov 27 2006, 18:38
|- - blandoon   Judging by the Web search results I've gotten,...   Nov 27 2006, 20:59
- - dandragonrage   Hi guys, any updates on this? JVC has announced th...   Feb 11 2007, 01:39
|- - Junon   QUOTE (dandragonrage @ Feb 11 2007, 01:39...   Feb 11 2007, 02:26
- - dandragonrage   All right, I appreciate the warning!   Feb 11 2007, 05:46
- - goanookie   I got a JVC KD-G722, and can confirm that it does ...   Feb 26 2007, 20:50
- - Mytheroo   hi, I have the jvc kd-g 721. When I first got it I...   Mar 6 2007, 00:24
- - Alexxander   I just surfed around for 2 hours and again I have ...   Jun 16 2009, 14:32
- - CoyoteSmith   buy Cowon iAudio, get a car player that has 1/8...   Jun 17 2009, 00:36
- - Alexxander   QUOTE (CoyoteSmith @ Jun 17 2009, 01:36) ...   Jun 17 2009, 09:56
- - srf21c   QUOTE (Alexxander @ Jun 17 2009, 00:56) Q...   Nov 23 2009, 00:17
- - OggY68   QUOTE (srf21c @ Nov 23 2009, 00:17) QUOTE...   Nov 23 2009, 10:28
- - andy o   Hmm maybe I'm missing something already said, ...   Nov 23 2009, 11:51


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