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Is MPC better than mp3?
Grand Dizzy
post Oct 24 2004, 20:25
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I just noticed in the polls that more people use mpc than mp3!

Bearing in mind that I know nothing about mpc, could anyone explain the benefits over mp3?

I use alt-preset extreme... does anyone recommend I upgrade to mpc?
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m0rbidini
post Apr 12 2006, 14:03
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I'd like to see rjamorim's data and reasoning that leads him to believe an extrapolation would be valid. If we see it, we can think about what the flaws could be, how likely they are, and consequently, how much attention this extrapolation should get.

I agree with this part. rjamorim was fast writing "So, you're not aware that results can be extrapolated between tests?" as if it was a given. My objection, however, is how this "extrapolation" (if you can call it that) is being made without any kind of explication, just by overlapping the ratings graphics.

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The conditions for an extrapolation to be valid are pretty much the same that are required for the test itself to be valid.

Can't you can have two perfectly valid tests and not be able to do a simple extrapolation between them (like the one being tried here)? Aren't there more conditions, like having a valid way to relate the different anchors?
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post Apr 12 2006, 14:06
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QUOTE (m0rbidini @ Apr 12 2006, 03:03 PM) *
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The conditions for an extrapolation to be valid are pretty much the same that are required for the test itself to be valid.

Can't you can have two perfectly valid tests and not be able to do a simple extrapolation between them (like the one being tried here)? Aren't there more conditions, like having a valid way to relate the different anchors?


Yes, of course. I perhaps didn't explain myself clearly there. I was talking about the conditions for a method of extrapolation to be valid, in the scientific sense; see the following sentence for example. I don't mean the validity of the test is linked to the validity of an extrapolation (except in the obvious way that it would be hard to make a valid extrapolation out of an invalid test smile.gif). Just that the way of determining whether it is is the same.

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- Grand Dizzy   Is MPC better than mp3?   Oct 24 2004, 20:25
- - Mono   Please search. Some great threads have already cov...   Oct 24 2004, 20:45
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|- - AtaqueEG   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Oct 24 2004, 01:46 PM)That ...   Apr 1 2006, 17:03
- - Grand Dizzy   Thanks, guys.   Oct 24 2004, 22:00
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|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (atici @ Apr 2 2006, 06:27 AM)There...   Apr 2 2006, 12:17
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|- - guruboolez   QUOTE (ak @ Apr 2 2006, 10:49 PM)Well, ok. Al...   Apr 2 2006, 23:38
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|- - Garf   QUOTE (user @ Apr 11 2006, 12:16 PM) No, ...   Apr 12 2006, 12:58
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