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What commandline do you use with MPC?
David Nordin
post Aug 8 2002, 10:47
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I want to find out the average commandline of the MPC users, I expect it to be around 6.
The choices are the above HQ modes.
--standard = --quality 5
--xtreme = --quality 6
--insane = --quality 7
--braindead = --quality 8
If you use something else, please comment on what is used.
Examples:
--thumb
--radio
--quality 1-4.99
--quality 8.01-10
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post Aug 9 2002, 12:24
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Originally posted by Continuum
I don't know. I think the quoted statement is more honest than stating that --standard is completely insufficient without providing evidence of this. It doesn't say anything is wrong with the codec and thus is not leading people to stay away from certain settings without good reason


I don't read German, so I wouldn't know.

From a crude Babelfish translation I get the impression that there's the statement in there that the inclusion of the other settings must mean that they are somehow useful/necessary.

Well, first of all, Buschel, the original MPC author, has stated many times that --standard is supposed to be transparent. Beyond that I've never seen a clear reason for the existance of xtreme, and insane has always been unnecessary and is just a mode useful for comparing graphs in cool edit.

This is really pretty much similar to the --alt-presets in LAME. --alt-preset standard is what you're supposed to do. --alt-preset extreme offers no clear benefits, and insane is totally unnecessary. Almost any sample which screws up standard is also going to screw up insane, just maybe to a tiny degree less.

Back to the original point, if someone says they can hear a difference at such a level, and at a point to where it goes beyond what the majority of this board have found to be the case, then I expect some sort of proof of this. I'm not looking to say that everyone is wrong, I'm looking to find the truth of the matter. I'm tired of people jumping to stupid conclusions based on false information. There's enough of that out there on other sites, we don't need it on HA as well. I'm a little more agitated about this kind of thing than normal given some of the comments made in regards to ff123's test on other sites. It's clear that most people don't give a damn about objectivity or proper testing at all. Well, as the founder/owner/admin of HA, I've stated many times that this is not what the forums here are about. Instead, the idea is to create progress through assembling a knowledge base founded upon reason, verifiable data, and tendency towards objectivity. I don't want to see these continue to be dilluted by the current trendy nonsense which has been popping up around MPC (ie, the need to encode with --braindead because --standard just isn't good enough, etc, without performing any listening tests or providing any test data).

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[b]("standard can't be enough, because it's only standard").


This assertion has not a single shred of correlation to actual measured audio quality. It's simply a misunderstanding of terms. Perhaps --transparent would be a better name than --standard and then everything above could be named --bitwastelevel1...level2... etc. It really doesn't matter what you call it though.

Everyone should feel free to use what they want to encode. I'm not so pretentious as to tell people what they can and can't do. However, if you plan on recommending settings to other people (or even implying that they are necessary) on this forum and you make an outrageous statement, be prepared to back it up.
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- David Nordin   What commandline do you use with MPC?   Aug 8 2002, 10:47
- - kjempen   How about this: --xtreme --xlevel ? (The "--xle...   Aug 8 2002, 12:35
- - David Nordin   QUOTE Originally posted by kjempen How about this...   Aug 8 2002, 13:48
- - CiTay   QUOTE Originally posted by MTRH Read this btw. ...   Aug 8 2002, 14:20
- - smg   --quality 10 for me...alittle overkill I assume Bu...   Aug 8 2002, 14:31
- - CiTay   QUOTE Originally posted by smg --quality 10 for m...   Aug 8 2002, 14:49
- - guruboolez   I was using --extreme for my own CDs ; but after e...   Aug 8 2002, 15:12
- - Pri3st   I am using --standard for my own cd's. For foreign...   Aug 8 2002, 15:35
- - Dezibel   --standard for mppenc 1.02 [for a few albums --sta...   Aug 8 2002, 16:14
- - Continuum   QUOTE Originally posted by Dezibel --quality 6 fo...   Aug 8 2002, 18:03
- - Dezibel   ...nope. i don't did any abx tests. the results a...   Aug 8 2002, 18:37
- - David Nordin   I encourage you to ABX to verify it's not placebo....   Aug 8 2002, 20:22
- - mithrandir   QUOTE Originally posted by Dezibel --quality 6 fo...   Aug 8 2002, 20:31
- - audiophile   mppenc --braindead --quality 10 --ms 15 --forcewri...   Aug 8 2002, 21:06
- - David Nordin   QUOTE Originally posted by audiophile mppenc --br...   Aug 8 2002, 21:13
- - CiTay   QUOTE Originally posted by MTRH and the KITTENS!...   Aug 8 2002, 21:44
- - lucpes   default (standard or quality 5)   Aug 8 2002, 22:22
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by Dezibel ...nope. i do...   Aug 9 2002, 00:28
- - paranoos   I have recently converted from my heathen MP3 ways...   Aug 9 2002, 04:44
- - Trelane   Ahoy fellow batch file user! I made this one awhil...   Aug 9 2002, 05:00
- - Dezibel   QUOTE Originally posted by Dibrom *sigh* <R...   Aug 9 2002, 10:22
- - KikeG   QUOTE Originally posted by Dezibel - short abx s...   Aug 9 2002, 11:10
- - lucpes   QUOTE Originally posted by paranoos The one thin...   Aug 9 2002, 11:31
- - Continuum   QUOTE Originally posted by Dezibel Ausserdem bin...   Aug 9 2002, 11:37
- - Frank Klemm   QUOTE Originally posted by lucpes For instance ...   Aug 9 2002, 12:19
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by Continuum I don't kno...   Aug 9 2002, 12:24
- - Continuum   QUOTE Originally posted by Dibrom This assertion...   Aug 9 2002, 12:55
- - Trelane   QUOTE Originally posted by Frank Klemm Most of ...   Aug 9 2002, 13:07
- - Gecko   Disclaimer: This is completely unscientiffic and I...   Aug 9 2002, 16:14
- - mithrandir   QUOTE Originally posted by Dibrom Well, first of ...   Aug 9 2002, 16:26
- - mithrandir   QUOTE Originally posted by Gecko I currently use ...   Aug 9 2002, 16:47
- - David Nordin   QUOTE How does 2nd_vent ABX between --quality 5 an...   Aug 9 2002, 16:55
- - paranoos   LOL @ Frank's comment... QUOTE Originally posted ...   Aug 9 2002, 17:37
- - Garf   QUOTE Originally posted by Dibrom Perhaps --tran...   Aug 9 2002, 20:12
- - David Nordin   Hmm... A slightly better tuned --standard as --tra...   Aug 10 2002, 01:21
- - David Nordin   Nice to see the confidence in MPC. 50%+ using the ...   Aug 12 2002, 20:08
- - Somebody   --quality 7.4   Aug 29 2002, 23:14
- - rc55   --standard Because its enough for me, and its tru...   Aug 30 2002, 12:03
- - Volcano   I somehow missed this thread... I use --xtreme to...   Aug 30 2002, 20:00
- - Rizban76   At the risk of sounding like a newbie, what is an ...   Oct 24 2002, 06:42
- - KikeG   ABX is a type of blind test, that is applied here ...   Oct 24 2002, 13:58
- - Megaman   QUOTE (Dezibel @ Aug 9 2002 - 01:22 AM)...i c...   Dec 7 2002, 07:43
- - honz318712   Unfortunately I do not posses the technical skill ...   Dec 7 2002, 11:09
- - LordSyl   I admit to like high bitrates being displayed on w...   Dec 7 2002, 23:25
- - DuskHorizon   --quality 7 --xlevel Insane! Overkill? Maybe,...   Jul 20 2003, 13:44
- - evereux   QUOTE (DuskHorizon @ Jul 20 2003, 12:44 PM)--...   Jul 20 2003, 15:32
- - boiling_ice2k4   --quality 5, or "standard", along with -...   Jul 20 2003, 16:46
- - I)4rkSt4r   --quality 7   Jul 20 2003, 17:13
- - manni   standard is good enough for me.   Jul 20 2003, 17:50
- - shearerkazaa   --extreme. Chose it over --standard just to be on ...   Jul 20 2003, 18:44
- - Pio2001   If you want to give your MPC settings, start a new...   Jul 20 2003, 19:21


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