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AAC beaten at low bitrates, why?
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post Aug 5 2002, 20:01
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Looking at the recent tests on 64kb files, I was wondering how come AAC underperforms compared to OGG, WMA and whatever else? I thought AAC was able to handle low bitrates very well due to it's type of encoding... if so, how come these other formats are beating it? Is it something that can be worked on in future releases from Psytel? Spose they would of been working mainly on high bitrate quality to whoop MPC's ass? :o)
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- Mac   AAC beaten at low bitrates, why?   Aug 5 2002, 20:01
- - rjamorim   QUOTE Originally posted by Mac I thought AAC was ...   Aug 5 2002, 20:06
- - Mac   Aah cool ) I heard something about AAC+SBR on the...   Aug 5 2002, 20:57
- - Frank Klemm   QUOTE Originally posted by rjamorim There isn't...   Aug 5 2002, 20:59
- - Mac   Hmmm, where do you get all these AAC encoders from...   Aug 5 2002, 21:12
- - rjamorim   QUOTE Originally posted by Mac Hmmm, where do you...   Aug 5 2002, 22:10
- - Ardax   QUOTE Originally posted by rjamorim You can encod...   Aug 5 2002, 23:41
- - rjamorim   QUOTE Originally posted by Ardax Really?  Ho...   Aug 5 2002, 23:57
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE Originally posted by Mac Hmmm, where do you...   Aug 6 2002, 04:44
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by rjamorim Well, keep i...   Aug 6 2002, 05:30
- - rjamorim   QUOTE Originally posted by Dibrom A lot of music...   Aug 6 2002, 05:54
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by rjamorim Yeah, but n...   Aug 6 2002, 06:05
- - rjamorim   QUOTE Originally posted by Dibrom Say 20 or 30 of...   Aug 6 2002, 06:16
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by rjamorim I think it ...   Aug 6 2002, 06:20
- - HotshotGG   QUOTE After all, what's worth if an encoder perfor...   Aug 6 2002, 06:41
- - ff123   Funny that this topic of sample selection should c...   Aug 6 2002, 07:02
- - Jon Ingram   QUOTE 120 samples to rate is clearly ridiculous....   Aug 6 2002, 11:10
- - Mac   My own opinion would be that these extreme cases a...   Aug 6 2002, 11:16
- - Mac   I wouldn't just favor the samples given a high bit...   Aug 6 2002, 11:45
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by Mac (although LAME gi...   Aug 6 2002, 12:19
- - Gecko   Why should it hurt to tune a codec with extreme ca...   Aug 6 2002, 12:22
- - Ivan Dimkovic   QUOTE Originally posted by Mac Most codecs I've ...   Aug 6 2002, 13:56
- - Mac   Well, I think my hearing is going, because on that...   Aug 6 2002, 18:33
- - Frank Klemm   QUOTE Originally posted by Gecko Why should it hu...   Aug 6 2002, 21:23
- - guruboolez   Frank, I have a question who haunt me for month......   Aug 6 2002, 21:53
- - Phobos   i personaly can tolerate the artifacts of AAC at ~...   Aug 7 2002, 00:13
- - Frank Klemm   QUOTE Originally posted by guruboolez Frank, I ha...   Aug 7 2002, 00:41
- - guruboolez   QUOTE Originally posted by Frank Klemm Harpsich...   Aug 7 2002, 01:11
- - Dibrom   As said before, MP3 is not a good format to make q...   Aug 7 2002, 02:41
- - guruboolez   Thank you very much, Dibrom, for your answer. LAM...   Aug 7 2002, 03:02
- - Dibrom   A good psymodel should be able to cope with almost...   Aug 7 2002, 03:42
- - spase   i will try to answer a few questions here... mind ...   Aug 7 2002, 03:44
- - guruboolez   QUOTE Originally posted by Dibrom Futhermore, unl...   Aug 7 2002, 03:59
- - spase   QUOTE Originally posted by guruboolez But as I o...   Aug 7 2002, 04:09
- - spase   QUOTE Very well, spase. Thanks a lot for this answ...   Aug 7 2002, 04:12
- - unplugged   QUOTE Originally posted by spase first off, slowe...   Aug 7 2002, 04:31
- - spase   again im not an expert, but assuming the temporal ...   Aug 7 2002, 04:42
- - niktheblak   QUOTE Originally posted by unplugged So... Can w...   Aug 7 2002, 08:21
- - Gecko   About the glass organ which was encoded at only 15...   Aug 7 2002, 11:10
- - guruboolez   I stop you : mp3 gives 150 kb/s and mpc 250 kb/s A...   Aug 7 2002, 11:20
- - Gecko   Possibly this is all nonsense but here goes anyway...   Aug 7 2002, 12:01
- - Gecko   QUOTE I stop you : mp3 gives 150 kb/s and mpc 250 ...   Aug 7 2002, 12:22
- - unplugged   Thanks guys, Gecko very well explained the matter ...   Aug 7 2002, 18:04
- - jalonsom   Now that you're talking about subband vs. transfor...   Aug 7 2002, 19:23
- - rjamorim   QUOTE Originally posted by jalonsom How about an ...   Aug 7 2002, 19:58
- - Garf   QUOTE Originally posted by rjamorim That codec ...   Aug 7 2002, 20:00
- - Phobos   blah, AAC beats MP3 it being a transform codec   Aug 7 2002, 20:40
- - Gecko   QUOTE Maybe vorbis could implement subband in 2.0A...   Aug 7 2002, 20:43
- - Frank Klemm   QUOTE Originally posted by Gecko Afaik "Subband T...   Aug 7 2002, 22:53
- - HotshotGG   QUOTE Maybe vorbis could implement subband in 2.0 ...   Aug 7 2002, 23:15
- - Gecko   QUOTE Originally posted by Frank Klemm Subband cod...   Aug 8 2002, 00:20
- - Gecko   QUOTE Subband coding is NOT patented --- Philips s...   Aug 8 2002, 00:50
- - Garf   QUOTE Originally posted by Gecko Now I'm confused...   Aug 8 2002, 01:11
- - Mac   Back to my original point... currently AAC is pr...   Aug 11 2002, 11:50
- - wkw   I think the short-block mode of AAC is giving the ...   Aug 11 2002, 17:21
- - wkw   I think the short-block mode of AAC is giving the ...   Aug 11 2002, 17:23
- - guruboolez   QUOTE Originally posted by wkw I tested MP3Pro on...   Aug 11 2002, 17:41
- - Mac   Bah, I hate it when this happens. I was told off ...   Aug 11 2002, 21:11
- - JohnV   QUOTE Originally posted by niktheblak Now that I'...   Aug 12 2002, 08:09
- - JohnV   Thread splitted. Some MPC specific messages have b...   Aug 12 2002, 08:28
- - Ivan Dimkovic   wkw, AAC has very efficient mode of grouping of 8...   Aug 12 2002, 09:35
- - Frank Klemm   QUOTE Originally posted by JohnV Because the FFT ...   Aug 12 2002, 10:54
- - wkw   QUOTE Originally posted by Ivan Dimkovic wkw, AA...   Aug 12 2002, 11:09


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