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Open Source Firmware For iRiver players, development by Rockbox team starts
rjamorim
post Oct 4 2005, 17:28
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QUOTE (Tang @ Oct 4 2005, 12:50 PM)
Interesting quote of Rbx iRiverport Wiki:
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AAC (MP4)   Code fully-working in simulator but not yet on iRiver, not yet checked in.
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Amazing indeed. I wasn't expecting AAC/MP4 support so soon.

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post Oct 12 2005, 22:54
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also seems as though the devs have optimized the Musepack code enough so it now can playback in realtime on the the Iriver, just gotta wait for them to release it biggrin.gif

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post Oct 12 2005, 23:19
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QUOTE (unfortunateson @ Oct 12 2005, 05:54 PM)
also seems as though the devs have optimized the Musepack code enough so it now can playback in realtime on the the Iriver, just gotta wait for them to release it  biggrin.gif
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Very good news indeed. Unfortunately they also said it's somewhat of a hack and only a temporary fix until the mpc decoder can be rewritten to better suit the platform. It sounds like playback will probably be just barely realtime for most files.

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QUOTE (RotAtoR @ Oct 12 2005, 02:19 PM)
QUOTE (unfortunateson @ Oct 12 2005, 05:54 PM)
also seems as though the devs have optimized the Musepack code enough so it now can playback in realtime on the the Iriver, just gotta wait for them to release it  biggrin.gif
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Very good news indeed. Unfortunately they also said it's somewhat of a hack and only a temporary fix until the mpc decoder can be rewritten to better suit the platform. It sounds like playback will probably be just barely realtime for most files.
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Strange... Vorbis is easy playable... As I know MPC requires less CPU time than Vorbis blink.gif


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post Oct 13 2005, 00:09
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QUOTE (de Mon @ Oct 12 2005, 07:54 PM)
Strange... Vorbis is easy playable... As I know MPC requires less CPU time than Vorbis  blink.gif
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The obvious conclusion is that Vorbis is much easier to optimize than MPC.

The other conclusion is that there are more developers interested in optimizing Tremor than ones interested in libmpcdec.


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post Oct 13 2005, 05:07
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Should musepack support be added under the H1x0 series in the wiki? It now plays in realtime (although there are still seeking bugs, unoptimized, not yet gapless). I don't know what format I should transcode my Wavpack files in when I run out of space - there should be a formal test of vorbis vs mpc at standard (160-190) rates on rock music... smile.gif
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post Oct 13 2005, 06:33
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It's been done with classical music at least.

But yes, I would be interested to see how the two perform on harder stuff.


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post Oct 13 2005, 10:25
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QUOTE (unfortunateson @ Oct 13 2005, 01:07 AM)
Should musepack support be added under the H1x0 series in the wiki?
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If the author himself didn't add it, it probably means he doesn't consider it ready enough yet.


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post Oct 13 2005, 11:32
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QUOTE (rjamorim @ Oct 13 2005, 01:09 AM)
The obvious conclusion is that Vorbis is much easier to optimize than MPC.

I've only looked a little at it myself, but the impression I got was that libmusepack does lots of 32 by 32 bit multiplies, where the location of the "interesting" 32 bits in the 64 bit result can vary a great deal. For tremor (the Vorbis decoder), the "interesting" result is always in the top 32 bits. For the CPU in the h1x0 players, this is much easier to process.
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post Oct 13 2005, 12:33
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... now if only they would consider trying to write support for the iMP- series! sad.gif

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post Oct 13 2005, 13:01
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QUOTE (M @ Oct 13 2005, 01:33 PM)
... now if only they would consider trying to write support for the iMP- series! sad.gif

    - M.
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post Oct 13 2005, 16:53
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QUOTE (Sebastian Mares @ Oct 13 2005, 09:01 AM)
QUOTE (M @ Oct 13 2005, 01:33 PM)
... now if only they would consider trying to write support for the iMP- series! sad.gif

    - M.
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True that! sad.gif
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Donate some iMPs to the development team and I'm sure they would look at that wink.gif


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post Oct 13 2005, 16:56
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Is this firmware being developed for any CURRENT player in the market?

I would love to use it, but I can't find any compatible player! And I have given up on eBay. It is full of scammers!


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post Oct 13 2005, 20:44
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QUOTE (AtaqueEG @ Oct 13 2005, 12:56 PM)
Is this firmware being developed for any CURRENT player in the market?
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Sadly, no.


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(on mpc playback)
QUOTE (de Mon @ Oct 12 2005, 11:54 PM)
Strange... Vorbis is easy playable... As I know MPC requires less CPU time than Vorbis  blink.gif
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This is really odd. According to my experience with codec stuff the inverse filterbank is one of those quite CPU-power-demanding building blocks. If MPC's filterbank implmentation is the one to blame (fast on PCs but bad to port) they could just reuse the 32 band PQF filterbank code from their mp3 decoder since it's actually the same.

But then again... The current musepack stream format is kinda horrible.
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QUOTE (rjamorim @ Oct 13 2005, 11:44 AM)
QUOTE (AtaqueEG @ Oct 13 2005, 12:56 PM)
Is this firmware being developed for any CURRENT player in the market?
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Sadly, no.
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Actually, they [might start] developing it for the iAudio X5. Here is the offical site for it on the RockBox website and here is a discussion about it on a iAudio fan page.

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QUOTE (From linuxstb (aka Dave Chapman) over at the Rockbox forums on: October 23 @ 2005, 05:32:54 AM: New FLAC decoder: )
"Hi all,

As you probably know, the current FLAC decoder in Rockbox is based on the official libFLAC decoder, and this only just runs in real-time on the H1x0.  The nature of libFLAC has made it very hard to optimise.

I spent some time yesterday with another FLAC decoder - the one written as part of the ffmpeg project.  I ported it to Rockbox, with the result that it already (without any real optimisations) running about twice as fast as our original libFLAC decoder.  The CPU is almost constantly at 45MHz, with very little time spent "boosted" to 124MHz.
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"... This new decoder (without seeking) is now committed to CVS and is therefore the standard FLAC decoder in Rockbox.

I'll add seeking support ASAP, but can't promise when.  But this gives others chance to work their optimisation magic and get it working even faster, or even for someone else to implement seeking.

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Dave.
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post Oct 31 2005, 15:16
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QUOTE (HisInfernalMajesty @ Oct 13 2005, 12:59 PM)
QUOTE (rjamorim @ Oct 13 2005, 11:44 AM)
QUOTE (AtaqueEG @ Oct 13 2005, 12:56 PM)
Is this firmware being developed for any CURRENT player in the market?
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Sadly, no.
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Actually, they [might start] developing it for the iAudio X5. Here is the offical site for it on the RockBox website and here is a discussion about it on a iAudio fan page.
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The firmware is being ported on iRiver H3xx... Linus is working on it, seems it progresses...
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post Oct 31 2005, 15:26
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QUOTE (Tang @ Oct 31 2005, 12:16 PM)
QUOTE (HisInfernalMajesty @ Oct 13 2005, 12:59 PM)
QUOTE (rjamorim @ Oct 13 2005, 11:44 AM)
QUOTE (AtaqueEG @ Oct 13 2005, 12:56 PM)
Is this firmware being developed for any CURRENT player in the market?
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Sadly, no.
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Actually, they [might start] developing it for the iAudio X5. Here is the offical site for it on the RockBox website and here is a discussion about it on a iAudio fan page.
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The firmware is being ported on iRiver H3xx... Linus is working on it, seems it progresses...
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Erm... that one is not being manufactured anymore either.


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QUOTE (rjamorim @ Oct 31 2005, 03:26 PM)
Erm... that one is not being manufactured anymore either.
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Amazingly short lifespan on the H-series from iRiver. One can not stop wondering why. The margins or sales must have been comparatively low.


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When: 12 Nov 04:00 Who: Andy
What: iRiver - Initial support for wav-recording in recording menu. Supports mic/line-in (and radio), monitor mode, time-splitting (and byte-splitting), pause/resume etc.
Things todo: Prerecording, peakmeter (should be simple), frequency other than 44.1 kHz, etc..


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post Nov 12 2005, 14:51
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The Rockbox Ipod wiki page has been updated to show the status of the driver implementation. A funtional bootloader is available.
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QUOTE (jaybeee @ Nov 12 2005, 09:35 AM)
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What: iRiver - Initial support for wav-recording in recording menu. Supports mic/line-in (and radio)

Now that's good news. Recording radio is yet one more of the features that was never available on the original firmware.

EDIT: spelling

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It's still early days for it though. I tried the Line In recording last night and it froze and crashed. Had to recover the file via CHKDSK.
Then there appears to be glitches every 90secs - however, I need to check this with different sources before I say that's a problem.
More testers the better.

EDIT: the glitches / drop-outs were caused by the source (doh!), so Rockbox is looking good for that now. Still some issues with freezing of player when recording stops, but I'm sure it'll get sorted soon enough.

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Rockbox now with crossfeed:

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