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Open Source Firmware For iRiver players, development by Rockbox team starts
kwanbis
post Sep 10 2004, 20:17
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Rockbox, the team responsible for the open source replacement firmware for Archos audio players, has started an effort to port their firmware to the popular iRiver H1xx-series of devices.

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post Feb 13 2005, 01:40
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Wow.
This could make me actually buy a iHP. Is iRiver aware of this project? What do they think about it? Will they help it at all?
By the way, why are the folks at rockbox looking for an integer lossy encoder? Because of the built-in recording capabilities? Will they use wavpack lossy?

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QUOTE (emtee @ Feb 12 2005, 04:40 PM)
Wow.
This could make me actually buy a iHP. Is iRiver aware of this project? What do they think about it? Will they help it at all?
By the way, why are the folks at rockbox looking for an integer lossy encoder? Because of the built-in recording capabilities? Will they use wavpack lossy?
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Hi Emtee,
About Iriver i don't knowx if they are aware of the Rockbox project but it's not usefull to notify them and it could be a real BAD idea...
indeed there have been two others project of iHP alt firmwares and the first one have been stopped by the authors due to iRiver pression... (that's what they said)

There is no need to connect rbx with iriver firmware section which is well known fo hi uncompetence... It won't help rbx and it may cause some issue...

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PS: nothing to add to Roberto explanation about the integer lossy encoder... smile.gif

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QUOTE (Tang @ Feb 13 2005, 01:10 AM)
Hi Emtee,
About Iriver i don't knowx if they are aware of the Rockbox project but it's not usefull to notify them and it could be a real BAD idea...
indeed there have been two others project of iHP alt firmwares  and the first one have been stopped by the authors due to iRiver pression... (that's what they said)

There is no need to connect rbx with iriver firmware section which is well known fo hi uncompetence... It won't help rbx and it may cause some issue...

smile.gif

PS: nothing to add to Roberto explanation about the integer lossy encoder... smile.gif
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Well, I own a CD-based iRiver player, and I'm happy with the firmware updates iriver provides. Sure, they aren't realeased every month or so, but the firmware is pretty stable and they even listened to their customers when asked for vorbis support.
I obviously won't notify them, that's the project's authors decision. But I'm not sure if iRiver would react negativelly. It's not like they're cracking or reverse engineering iRiver's original firmware - they're building one up from scratch, which might be more convenient to power-users, and can raise iRiver's sells. So unless there are some kinds of legal problems, iRiver should aknowledge the project and help them out. Pretty much like the Fedora Core/Red Hat relationship.
I might be missing something, though.
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post Feb 13 2005, 18:02
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QUOTE (emtee @ Feb 12 2005, 05:23 PM)
QUOTE (Tang @ Feb 13 2005, 01:10 AM)
Hi Emtee,
About Iriver i don't knowx if they are aware of the Rockbox project but it's not usefull to notify them and it could be a real BAD idea...
indeed there have been two others project of iHP alt firmwares  and the first one have been stopped by the authors due to iRiver pression... (that's what they said)

There is no need to connect rbx with iriver firmware section which is well known fo hi uncompetence... It won't help rbx and it may cause some issue...

smile.gif

PS: nothing to add to Roberto explanation about the integer lossy encoder... smile.gif
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Well, I own a CD-based iRiver player, and I'm happy with the firmware updates iriver provides. Sure, they aren't realeased every month or so, but the firmware is pretty stable and they even listened to their customers when asked for vorbis support.
I obviously won't notify them, that's the project's authors decision. But I'm not sure if iRiver would react negativelly. It's not like they're cracking or reverse engineering iRiver's original firmware - they're building one up from scratch, which might be more convenient to power-users, and can raise iRiver's sells. So unless there are some kinds of legal problems, iRiver should aknowledge the project and help them out. Pretty much like the Fedora Core/Red Hat relationship.
I might be missing something, though.
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Hi Emtee,
First i don't want to be "out of subject" but i really want to precise I'm a very old "iriver fan", i meet the brand three years ago with his wonderfull iMP350 (SlimX)... So i'm totally aware of what iriver did adding Ogg Vorbis support by firmware upgrade to most of their palyers even very old one (with some bitrate limitations).

So don't mistake i'm not a primary antiiRiver, but the firmware policy of the korean company have changed for a while unfortunately and no iHP1xx owner can ignore this (tehy have promised much to us and after delay and delay we saw nothing or very few)...

Rockbox is a very skilled team, they've transfigured Archos players with their firmware... Actually they've began the iRiver port project for less than one year (~6months) and their progress are very impressive... In fact they are progressing very faster than the builtin iRiver fw had during more tyan one year... And keep in mind that Rbx had to discover all the hardware (in fact the iRiverlounge work helped a lot at the beginning, thanks to them)...

So i really think there is absolutely no need to contact iriver... Maybe it would have been helpfull at the beginning of the project, but at the actual step it's simply useless...

I do'nt think iRiver can make any matter to Rbx project, but I'm quite sur they will try to... The iRiver policy concerning any modification (and even mionr one as logo changing) was to be quite strict (in the fact things were a little bit different than what they notified) I really don't want to see them causing troubles with Rbx...

Indeed the two latest lt.fw project didn't begun from scratch, LinusM confirmed this to me and that's why iRiver made some pression... And finally the project stopped (for the iriverlounge one it was a very different context anywell)

To resume, as far as i'm concerned i rather iRiver nt be informed cause first they won't help even if they wanted to do, and secondly they may cause some troubles which will necessarily slowen the rbx port...

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post Feb 13 2005, 18:27
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QUOTE (Tang @ Feb 13 2005, 05:02 PM)
To resume, as far as i'm concerned i rather iRiver nt be informed cause first they won't help even if they wanted to do, and secondly they may cause some troubles which will necessarily slowen the rbx port...
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Well, to cut it short ...

iRiver has released a product with a major recording flaw (known as 'the glitch') and they have done nothing about it with various firmware updates. Assuming this behaviour can be adressed via software/driver, I am not that happy with iRiver's decision to cease support for the H1xx series in favour of the newer H3xx series (which does not offer digital recording).

iRiver has also promised gapless playback ... all they realised was some kind of 'gap reduction' that doesn't work effectively and can cause playback trouble.

RockBox (as a project) creates a completely alternative software (a whole new operating system) for the iRiver players without using the original iRiver code (which surely is licensed to iRiver and thus stands as their legal property) ...

Bottomline is ... if the RockBox alternative software

1) will have the features the iRiver community really desires,
2) will enable the H1xx series of bit-true digital recording without dropping samples every 30 seconds and
3) doesn't use anything of the old code,

iRiver should be absolutely grateful about that. If they do object (or put pressure on the RockBox team to force them into not continuing their iRiver port), it is our task as consumers to make iRiver pay really hard for it.

The DAP market offers a lot of alternatives besides Apple ... and the iRiver competitors would gladly bite off a bit from iRiver's market shares.

Just my 2 cents.

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