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post Oct 28 2001, 19:37
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post Dec 16 2001, 09:31
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Originally posted by jraneses
Dibrom, can you comment on the differences between using the --dm-preset xtreme from the 12/01 build and the new --alt-preset extreme on the latest build.


Hrmm.. well the differences in extreme basically are the same things that were applied to the standard mode. Basically better short block handling, adaptive noise measuring/shaping, tweaks to joint stereo, etc.

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I've encoded an album tonight using both encoders and noticed with --alt-preset extreme that my file sizes are jumping up around 3/4 mb each.


Hrmm.. that's a pretty big jump in bitrate. What kind of music was this? I actually have an idea what might be causing this bitrate increase in this mode now that you mention it. I'll have to double check. Maybe you could encode again adding the switch --no-preset-tune and see what that does to the bitrates...

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I'm not really concerned, but what quality differences can I expect between these two different presets?  If the new alt presets are going to give me better quality (even if it's inaudible to me), I want to make sure I go with the new ones.  I haven't been able to find a good FAQ on exactly what the new presets are supposed to offer overall over the old dm presets.


The quality of the extreme mode should be increased, but it's possible the modifications I applied in one area (maybe the joint stereo stuff) was too aggressive in this mode because a difference between a few things it does vs the standard mode. I'll run some experiments and see. I did notice larger files in a few cases myself but thought they were circumstancial (I haven't tested bitrates with extreme nearly as much as standard).

As for a list of the general differences, you can see most of them here:

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/showth...s=&threadid=411

While most of the discussion is centered around the "standard" mode, many of the improvements still apply... mostly:

- Improved joint stereo usage
- Improved short block usage
- Improved noise shaping/measuring usage

The last one is centered around lowering bitrates and still providing high quality.
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- user   List of recommended LAME settings   Oct 28 2001, 19:37
- - user   Hi user i personaly would like a 128 kbit setting...   Oct 28 2001, 19:39
- - user   Added 128 CBR settings. It would be useful, if som...   Oct 28 2001, 19:40
- - user   man! what a great idea! this would help out soooo...   Oct 28 2001, 19:41
- - user   Hi, thanks. Added current date at top. If somebod...   Oct 28 2001, 19:42
- - Riggs   Ugh so many users.   Oct 28 2001, 19:57
- - user   Hi, not really ! As you see, i have written who ha...   Oct 28 2001, 20:06
- - CiTay   Ummm user, i don't think this reposting is the way...   Oct 28 2001, 22:38
- - cd-rw.org   Yes, this is a good idea. I have been planning on ...   Oct 28 2001, 22:41
- - user   Hi, done. Please somebody should read over the set...   Oct 30 2001, 14:59
- - CiTay   Hi user, good work. I corrected a few things, i h...   Oct 30 2001, 20:37
- - GeSomeone   QUOTE Originally posted by user 160 kbits CBR -b ...   Oct 30 2001, 21:45
- - CiTay   user, you may replace your post with this if you l...   Oct 31 2001, 03:23
- - CiTay   Edited original post. It's a heavily edited versi...   Nov 1 2001, 05:19
- - mp3fan   Hmm, I'd like someone to try "--nsmsfix 1.2" with...   Nov 1 2001, 07:30
- - CiTay   Made some changes to the alternative 128 CBR / ABR...   Nov 1 2001, 16:10
- - CiTay   Added new 320 CBR setting, suggested by Dibrom: -...   Nov 1 2001, 17:12
- - CiTay   Made some more layout changes. Also: removed --dm...   Nov 2 2001, 23:47
- - CiTay   From the r3mix.net board: QUOTE > Should the v...   Nov 3 2001, 14:31
- - user   to How to avoid clipping with mp3gain ? How to bur...   Nov 3 2001, 15:17
- - Somebody   great list suggestion to add MP3Utility to (Analy...   Nov 3 2001, 17:30
- - user   following: mp3utility razorlame renatager   Nov 3 2001, 20:48
- - CiTay   Some changes to the 128 kbit ABR lines, suggested ...   Nov 5 2001, 04:38
- - mp3fan   Question, Why not advise people to use normalizat...   Nov 5 2001, 06:25
- - Dibrom   No. This has been explained before, but basically...   Nov 5 2001, 06:36
- - Dibrom   I've updated the list of settings to reflect the c...   Nov 5 2001, 08:06
- - HansHeijden   Dibrom, Great you implemented this preset system!...   Nov 5 2001, 12:37
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by HansHeijden There's a ...   Nov 5 2001, 16:13
- - Dibrom   Hans: OK, I updated the lowpasses a bit: 80kbp...   Nov 5 2001, 16:31
- - HansHeijden   Yes, I used Dmitry's compile, so that explains the...   Nov 5 2001, 17:50
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by HansHeijden Indeed --n...   Nov 5 2001, 18:04
- - user   Updated November 6, 2001 Especially the dm settin...   Nov 6 2001, 23:45
- - mitiok   QUOTE Originally posted by Dibrom   80kbps ...   Nov 7 2001, 02:07
- - user   Added   Nov 9 2001, 22:28
- - user   Hi, I edited the resulting file sizes of VBR pres...   Nov 9 2001, 22:36
- - Dibrom   I'd like to point out that on the r3mix.net versio...   Nov 9 2001, 22:40
- - cd-rw.org   Dibrom, Yes, the problem is that we can't really ...   Nov 9 2001, 23:00
- - Dibrom   I don't think it is a good idea to try and give ra...   Nov 9 2001, 23:11
- - Dibrom   What I think I'll do since I'm about ready to star...   Nov 9 2001, 23:20
- - tangent   The best way to represent a range would be to prov...   Nov 10 2001, 08:28
- - cd-rw.org   Dibber: That's an idea but it will give only your ...   Nov 10 2001, 08:33
- - jord   Hi, Let me start by saying that the new Lame sett...   Nov 15 2001, 02:17
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by jord Secondly, user, D...   Nov 15 2001, 02:40
- - jord   Great! ...and you'll add your compile to the main...   Nov 15 2001, 03:10
- - Kblood   --dm-preset <bitrate> Simple question: In t...   Nov 15 2001, 11:49
- - auldyin   Hi, I just did. See auldyin posts auldyin   Nov 15 2001, 13:19
- - mp3fan   Well, here is my offering. I'd like the developer...   Nov 23 2001, 19:26
- - SNYder   why is every settin on this list still in the --dm...   Nov 30 2001, 00:47
- - Somebody   QUOTE Originally posted by SNYder why is every se...   Nov 30 2001, 02:53
- - SNYder   QUOTE Originally posted by Somebody As far as I ...   Nov 30 2001, 04:32
- - JohnV   QUOTE Originally posted by SNYder So then how come...   Nov 30 2001, 04:53
- - Dibrom   Updated the recommended settings to reflect the la...   Dec 15 2001, 23:35
- - layer3maniac   QUOTE I also removed some unoptimized settings, in...   Dec 15 2001, 23:54
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by layer3maniac Roel's b...   Dec 16 2001, 00:01
- - SNYder   I think under the 96kbps CBR preset there should b...   Dec 16 2001, 00:16
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by SNYder I think a link ...   Dec 16 2001, 00:19
- - SNYder   fyi: u have --alt-preset insane under vbr.   Dec 16 2001, 00:24
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by SNYder fyi:  u ha...   Dec 16 2001, 00:34
- - Northpack   Mmh, I don't think that LAME performs bad on ~96kb...   Dec 16 2001, 00:41
- - Dibrom   Out of curiosity, you should give --alt-preset 95 ...   Dec 16 2001, 00:47
- - SNYder   QUOTE Originally posted by Dibrom [b] I did that...   Dec 16 2001, 01:29
- - Dibrom   Good idea, I went ahead and just did that. I also...   Dec 16 2001, 01:36
- - Amadeus93   One thing about the format: the first three catego...   Dec 16 2001, 02:04
- - Dibrom   Fixed.   Dec 16 2001, 02:11
- - Dibrom   Modified the layout some more and added more to th...   Dec 16 2001, 04:01
- - jraneses   Dibrom, can you comment on the differences between...   Dec 16 2001, 07:40
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by jraneses Dibrom, can y...   Dec 16 2001, 09:31
- - Northpack   QUOTE Originally posted by Dibrom Areas where the...   Dec 16 2001, 13:09
- - john33   Dibrom, I notice the rlo presets file for RazorLam...   Dec 16 2001, 14:39
- - user   Hi, the presets are designed for the aim that eve...   Dec 16 2001, 15:48
- - user   Hi, with alt prset extreme the compiles reslut to...   Dec 16 2001, 15:59
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by Northpack You are fa...   Dec 16 2001, 18:34
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by john33 Dibrom, I notic...   Dec 16 2001, 18:34
- - jraneses   QUOTE Originally posted by Dibrom Hrmm.. that's...   Dec 16 2001, 19:04
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by jraneses It's hip hop ...   Dec 16 2001, 19:42
- - SNYder   Could someone add, in the links section under (Ren...   Dec 16 2001, 19:50
- - user   Hi, done. Added only the link to the list, not...   Dec 16 2001, 20:09
- - user   Hi, the increasement from 248 to 267 is not much....   Dec 16 2001, 20:19
- - Dibrom   user, Well perhaps I won't change too much. I'm ...   Dec 16 2001, 20:26
- - jraneses   Thanks for checking into this again...because I re...   Dec 16 2001, 21:10
- - JohnV   Edited the link list a bit. The link to "Dibrom's ...   Dec 16 2001, 22:42
- - SNYder   QUOTE Originally posted by user Hi, done.  ...   Dec 16 2001, 23:03
- - CiTay   Improved spelling & layout.   Dec 16 2001, 23:42
- - jraneses   Where is this list you're speaking of? I haven't ...   Dec 17 2001, 02:44
- - Amadeus93   One more formatting bit: Under "VBR (variable bit...   Dec 17 2001, 03:55
- - Dibrom   I prefer "even higher quality" personally. The + ...   Dec 17 2001, 05:32
- - Dibrom   Updated the bitrate information for "extreme".   Dec 18 2001, 17:46
- - SNYder   can someone please just add the 2 ID3Taggers i sug...   Dec 19 2001, 05:33
- - Dibrom   done   Dec 19 2001, 05:56
- - SNYder   thanks buddy [edit]p.s. at the top of the list ...   Dec 19 2001, 06:15
- - JohnV   QUOTE Originally posted by SNYder p.s. at the to...   Dec 19 2001, 14:01
- - c15zyx   2 short questions: 1. Why is -q 2 (-h) used inste...   Dec 23 2001, 22:57
- - Dibrom   QUOTE Originally posted by c15zyx 2 short questio...   Dec 23 2001, 23:29
- - user   Added link to HOW TO Reencode mp3 to mp3 keeping i...   Dec 26 2001, 18:21
- - user   added lowpass 16 to ABR 134/128 setting. It was mi...   Dec 30 2001, 18:19
- - ff123   QUOTE added lowpass 16 to ABR 134/128 setting. It ...   Dec 30 2001, 21:11
- - sphoid   QUOTE Originally posted by ff123 Probably 134 sho...   Dec 30 2001, 22:20
- - Snelg   QUOTE Originally posted by user Snelg wants to ad...   Dec 31 2001, 00:06
- - user   "or (ff123's and Hans' suggestion -- http://www.ff...   Dec 31 2001, 10:25
- - ff123   QUOTE "or (ff123's and Hans' suggestion -- http://...   Dec 31 2001, 16:43
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