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Frank Klemm
post Feb 19 2004, 17:57
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Task #1 I want/must/should/can take away is the XMMS plugin.
An important second task is maintaining of test samples.

All lossy encoders take benfits from such a web page.
AAC, AC3, Lame, Musepack, Ogg Vorbis, MP2, dts, ...

Currently there is a very old test sample page for gpsycho:

http://www.mp3dev.org/mp3/gpsycho/quality.html

I think such a page is very important. Otherwise developers must
waste time to hunt for test samples in web forums which appears
and disappears very quickly. Most of the test samples you can't download
2 or 3 days later.

This is a mess and annoying (at least for such persons like Frank Klemm).

The other problem is, when you are downloading these samples,
then you have the mess on your hard disks. Thousands of files
with names like goldc.pac, Hex.pac, jo3.ape, dr4.pac, t1.pac, track07.pac,
lalaw.pac, 11.wav, lust.pac, hvmh3.shn, beo.pac .
You don't know the source of these files and you don't know anymore
what encoder problems these files show.

I have 2,5 GB (4 full CDs) with files with such names. I downloaded
they sometimes somewhere for an unknown purpose, but after 6 or 12 or
24 month I don't know much about these files.

I can backup these 4 CDs and give it CHJW, because I can't upload 2,5 GB
of data.

This job must be done by someone with useful ears (he/she must make
some checks to avoid too much SPAM in this list), a wide band
internet access, a lot of web space and he/she should be able to send
the test samples on request via S-mail (5..10 €)

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For further information see [download rights].

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Test Sample #0001

Reported by: Anonymous
Reported on: Mar 20 2003

Source: CD
- Album: Der kleine Hobbit (1980)
   EAN/UPC: 9-783895-841675
   Katalog: 167-6
   LC: ?
   Copyright: 1980 WDR Köln /1986 Hörverlag Stuttgart
- Artits: -
- Media: CD 4
- Track: 2
- Offset 0:00.00
- Title: Folge 8
- Sample rate: 44100 Hz, 2x16 bit
- Length: 5.4 sec

Contents
 This is a radio play. It is mastered very noisy. You have a lot of background noise
 which needs a lot of bits.

Typical errors for encoders:
- Lame: You hear colorization of the background noise and silibant distortions of the in the transition of s-o in the first word.
- Musepack: ...
- FAAC: ...
- Nero AAC: ...

[Download (FLAC file) 0001_Hobbit.flac]

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Test Sample #0002

Reported by: Anonymous
Reported on: Mar 22 2003

Source: CD

- Album: Midnite Vultures (1999)
    EAN/UPC: 6-06949-05272-0
    Katalog: 4905272
    LC: LC 07266;
    Copyright: 1999 Geffen Records Inc.
- Artist: Beck
- Media: CD 1
- Track: 4
- Title: Get Real Paid
- Sample rate: 44100 Hz, 2x16 bit
- Offset: 3:51.74 (near the end)
- Length: 8.2 sec

Contents
 Signal is extremely transient. You have attacks in a distance around 16 ms.

Typical errors for encoders:
- Lame: ...
- Musepack: ...
- Nero AAC: ...

[Download (FLAC file) 0002_Beck.flac]

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Jan S.
post Feb 26 2004, 16:00
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We already post samples here and as long as we only upload <30sec we don't think it is a problem. At least that is the policy of this forum.

Secondly would it be almost impossible to get the right to publish it?
I don't think you can compare it to playing the music at a public place but I don't know.
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- Frank Klemm   A HA.org Sample Database?   Feb 19 2004, 17:57
- - Jan S.   QUOTE (Frank Klemm @ Feb 19 2004, 05:57 PM)An...   Feb 19 2004, 21:58
- - menno   QUOTE (Jan S. @ Feb 19 2004, 09:58 PM)QUOTE (...   Feb 19 2004, 23:44
- - ChristianHJW   IMO its a good idea to start with such a samples p...   Feb 19 2004, 23:48
- - ViPER1313   Bittorrent also sucks for all us college students ...   Feb 19 2004, 23:52
- - Frank Klemm   QUOTE (menno @ Feb 20 2004, 12:44 AM)QUOTE (J...   Feb 19 2004, 23:55
- - Jan S.   The wiki can still be used for the page to make it...   Feb 19 2004, 23:55
- - Frank Klemm   QUOTE (ViPER1313 @ Feb 20 2004, 12:52 AM)Bitt...   Feb 20 2004, 01:36
- - Florian   I could host about 700 MB of the test-samples on a...   Feb 20 2004, 10:08
- - donovansmith   I think I can host 200MB or so of stuff, maybe a b...   Feb 20 2004, 11:03
- - Frank Klemm   QUOTE (donovansmith @ Feb 20 2004, 12:03 PM)I...   Feb 20 2004, 12:45
- - Jan S.   QUOTE (Frank Klemm @ Feb 20 2004, 12:45 PM)QU...   Feb 20 2004, 13:12
- - Frank Klemm   QUOTE (Jan S. @ Feb 20 2004, 02:12 PM)QUOTE (...   Feb 20 2004, 14:39
- - john33   Case's homepage indicates: cse@sci.fi   Feb 20 2004, 15:29
- - dev0   I'm not sure if the wiki would be optimal for ...   Feb 20 2004, 15:48
- - Seed   1. I think several hosts should share the load, ac...   Feb 20 2004, 15:54
- - music_man_mpc   QUOTE (Seed @ Feb 20 2004, 06:54 AM)4. AIFF, ...   Feb 20 2004, 16:12
- - dev0   I agree with all the points Seed mentioned and wou...   Feb 20 2004, 16:13
- - smok3   i can provide small hosting - about 20 megs, and a...   Feb 20 2004, 17:02
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (dev0 @ Feb 20 2004, 12:48 PM)I'm n...   Feb 20 2004, 17:15
- - dev0   Still FLAC should be used, since we should all be ...   Feb 20 2004, 17:28
- - Seed   I meant that all collected samples must be compres...   Feb 20 2004, 17:34
- - Jan S.   QUOTE (dev0 @ Feb 20 2004, 03:48 PM)I'm n...   Feb 20 2004, 17:38
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Jan S. @ Feb 20 2004, 02:38 PM)Do you ...   Feb 20 2004, 17:43
- - Lefungus   Why not keep it simple ? Everyone could access the...   Feb 20 2004, 17:43
- - Jan S.   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Feb 20 2004, 05:43 PM)QUOTE...   Feb 20 2004, 17:49
- - danchr   QUOTE (Frank Klemm @ Feb 20 2004, 02:39 PM)Ta...   Feb 20 2004, 18:32
- - g0a   I could do any php / database coding and host the ...   Feb 20 2004, 19:35
- - Florian   I've just set up a basic listening test sample...   Feb 20 2004, 20:17
- - music_man_mpc   QUOTE (Ganymed @ Feb 20 2004, 11:17 AM)I...   Feb 20 2004, 22:24
- - Jan S.   ok. Since I really want to use the HA wiki for som...   Feb 21 2004, 19:57
- - CiTay   QUOTE (Jan S. @ Feb 21 2004, 07:57 PM)ok. Sin...   Feb 21 2004, 20:04
- - Volcano   QUOTE (Ganymed @ Feb 20 2004, 08:17 PM)I...   Feb 21 2004, 20:08
- - music_man_mpc   Hmmm I do have an unusual internet connection. DS...   Feb 21 2004, 22:23
- - tigre   QUOTE (Jan S. @ Feb 21 2004, 08:57 PM)ok. Sin...   Feb 22 2004, 00:01
- - Jan S.   QUOTE (tigre @ Feb 22 2004, 12:01 AM)QUOTE (J...   Feb 22 2004, 00:09
- - Frank Klemm   QUOTE (Seed @ Feb 20 2004, 06:34 PM)I meant t...   Feb 22 2004, 04:24
- - westgroveg   I think it would be useful to categorize problem s...   Feb 22 2004, 06:09
- - dev0   QUOTE (tigre @ Feb 22 2004, 12:01 AM)I've...   Feb 22 2004, 10:07
- - dev0   Are there any more oppinions regarding Wiki-based ...   Feb 23 2004, 09:45
- - ChristianHJW   I checked with Atomic, and he is ok about using hi...   Feb 23 2004, 10:22
- - Jan S.   QUOTE (ChristianHJW @ Feb 23 2004, 10:22 AM)J...   Feb 23 2004, 14:21
- - SacRat   A centralized sample archive is definitely a good ...   Feb 24 2004, 07:39
- - ChristianHJW   QUOTE (SacRat @ Feb 24 2004, 06:39 AM)A centr...   Feb 25 2004, 01:47
- - joey_m   I think Jan S. was only referring to the samples d...   Feb 25 2004, 01:59
- - SacRat   Well, why not to try this idea: create a site with...   Feb 26 2004, 06:43
- - mpcfiend   Simpler solution; link .torrents in the database, ...   Feb 26 2004, 07:43
- - robUx4   QUOTE (ChristianHJW @ Feb 25 2004, 01:47 AM)W...   Feb 26 2004, 15:22
- - Jan S.   We already post samples here and as long as we onl...   Feb 26 2004, 16:00
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Jan S. @ Feb 26 2004, 12:00 PM)We alre...   Feb 26 2004, 16:48
- - robUx4   I think a sort of license stating that it's ed...   Feb 26 2004, 16:58
- - guruboolez   QUOTE (robUx4 @ Feb 26 2004, 04:58 PM)I think...   Feb 26 2004, 17:03
- - Florian   After there are no other ideas/attempts regarding ...   Mar 3 2004, 12:37
- - ErikS   QUOTE (Ganymed @ Mar 3 2004, 07:37 PM)After t...   Mar 3 2004, 13:38
- - skynetman   Boys i don't see the problem. If u fear legal ...   Mar 3 2004, 14:40
- - westgroveg   I created a small MPC sample database page which I...   Mar 8 2004, 12:01


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