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AAC @ 128kbps listening test discussion
ScorLibran
post Mar 5 2004, 19:21
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QUOTE (Garf @ Mar 5 2004, 01:07 PM)
The test also seems at least 1.5 years old. Lots has happened in that time with AAC.

I was going to say the same thing.

Plus, it seems the results of that test have been recycled from time to time over the past year-and-a-half. I'm sure I've seen them multiple times now.

After at least one major update has been made to a codec involved in a test, the test results will be out of date (at least when discussing the current version of a format). Only recent results can be trusted, and only until such a code change occurs again.

(This is in addition to the other shortcomings of the afforementioned test.)
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post Mar 5 2004, 19:33
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QUOTE (ScorLibran @ Mar 5 2004, 07:21 PM)
Plus, it seems the results of that test have been recycled from time to time over the past year-and-a-half.  I'm sure I've seen them multiple times now.

I could confirm that.
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post Mar 5 2004, 19:49
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I think rjamorim might take offense to this...

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/top_news_item.cfm?NewsID=8097

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Apple's iTunes has emerged victorious in a series of listening tests run by the CD Freaks Web site.


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post Mar 5 2004, 19:58
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Holy cow. Will Apple be using Roberto's test results in commercials now wink.gif


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post Mar 5 2004, 20:10
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QUOTE (dewey1973 @ Mar 5 2004, 03:49 PM)
I think rjamorim might take offense to this...

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/top_news_item.cfm?NewsID=8097

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Apple's iTunes has emerged victorious in a series of listening tests run by the CD Freaks Web site.


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This is too much. I already got pissed when Slashdot claimed my tests were conduced by Hydrogenaudio. But this is ridiculous!


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post Mar 5 2004, 20:48
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QUOTE (dewey1973 @ Mar 5 2004, 08:49 PM)
I think rjamorim might take offense to this...

probably a silly mistake, i took a liberty and send email to the news editor (Jonathan Evans, http://www.macworld.co.uk/contact/ ) with a request to fix the error.


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post Mar 5 2004, 20:50
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QUOTE (smok3 @ Mar 5 2004, 11:48 AM)
QUOTE (dewey1973 @ Mar 5 2004, 08:49 PM)
I think rjamorim might take offense to this...

probably a silly mistake, i took a liberty and send email to the news editor (Jonathan Evans, http://www.macworld.co.uk/contact/ ) with a request to fix the error.

Me too biggrin.gif


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post Mar 5 2004, 20:51
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QUOTE (bidz @ Mar 5 2004, 02:50 PM)
QUOTE (smok3 @ Mar 5 2004, 11:48 AM)
QUOTE (dewey1973 @ Mar 5 2004, 08:49 PM)
I think rjamorim might take offense to this...

probably a silly mistake, i took a liberty and send email to the news editor (Jonathan Evans, http://www.macworld.co.uk/contact/ ) with a request to fix the error.

Me too biggrin.gif

Me too, and I got a reply. Guess his mailbox is getting busy smile.gif


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post Mar 5 2004, 20:54
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Their interpretation of the result is also factually wrong, and different from what roberto wrote.

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QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 5 2004, 09:10 PM)
This is too much. I already got pissed when Slashdot claimed my tests were conduced by Hydrogenaudio. But this is ridiculous!

Hehe, I think the problem is that they want to refer to some known web site. Rarewares is not so known really. And since you don't want to mention Hydrogenaudio's strong support anymore in the results page in providing test discussion and test participants (in fear of sites likes Slashdot referring to the test as HA test), this is what happens.. wink.gif

I'm sure CD-Freaks don't mind though.. laugh.gif


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Look again...

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/top_news_item.cfm?NewsID=8097


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post Mar 6 2004, 00:56
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QUOTE (JohnV @ Mar 5 2004, 04:54 PM)
And since you don't want to mention Hydrogenaudio's strong support anymore in the results page in providing test discussion and test participants (in fear of sites likes Slashdot referring to the test as HA test), this is what happens.. wink.gif

Blah. Bollocks. I give lots of credits to HydrogenAudio at the listening tests start page. And they insisted on keeping the CDfreaks link even after I pointed they were wrong (they also ruined their HTML, heh. morons). So, it's just that they seem to want to advertize Freaks, in some way or another.


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post Mar 6 2004, 01:08
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QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 6 2004, 01:56 AM)
QUOTE (JohnV @ Mar 5 2004, 04:54 PM)
And since you don't want to mention Hydrogenaudio's strong support anymore in the results page in providing test discussion and test participants (in fear of sites likes Slashdot referring to the test as HA test), this is what happens.. wink.gif

Blah. Bollocks. I give lots of credits to HydrogenAudio at the listening tests start page. And they insisted on keeping the CDfreaks link even after I pointed they were wrong (they also ruined their HTML, heh. morons). So, it's just that they seem to want to advertize Freaks, in some way or another.

Well, at the same time did you ask them to change the "CD-Freaks is reporting" to "Hydrogenaudio is reporting"?
This is not the first time freaks take credit for something they have no business what so ever..


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post Mar 6 2004, 11:30
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post Mar 7 2004, 21:49
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QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 5 2004, 04:10 PM)
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Duh...
http://cornelldailysun.com/articles/11061/

Anyway: Already fixed the plots for the first AAC test and the 128kbps extension test. Working on the 64kbps test plots now.

Edit: 64kbps results are up too. Will work on MP3 128 and AACv2 later. Stay tuned...

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QUOTE (JohnV @ Mar 5 2004, 09:08 PM)
Well, at the same time did you ask them to change the "CD-Freaks is reporting" to "Hydrogenaudio is reporting"?

Nope, because I didn't know they would insist on mentioning CDfreaks. I guessed they would replace it with a link to rjamorim.com. It seems to me they deliberately want to give some sort of credit to CDfreaks.


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post Mar 8 2004, 00:34
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QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 7 2004, 12:50 PM)
It seems to me they deliberately want to give some sort of credit to CDfreaks.

Thats absolutely absurd. Does CDfreaks have some affiliation with Apple?


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post Mar 8 2004, 00:47
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QUOTE (music_man_mpc @ Mar 7 2004, 08:34 PM)
Thats absolutely absurd.  Does CDfreaks have some affiliation with Apple?

Not that I know of. But why insist of mentioning them at their article? CDfreaks weren't the only ones announcing it, it was also announced by Afterdawn, Slashdot etc.


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post Mar 8 2004, 01:25
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QUOTE (rjamorim @ Mar 7 2004, 03:47 PM)
Not that I know of. But why insist of mentioning them at their article? CDfreaks weren't the only ones announcing it, it was also announced by Afterdawn, Slashdot etc.

Thats what I was saying, I meant it was absurd of them, not you smile.gif. Sorry for not being totally clear.


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post Apr 21 2004, 08:22
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i just noted that the results of the last aac test still point to the old, not corrected plots

it gets displayed this old plot by default:

(rarewares.hydrogenaudio.org/rja/plot12z.png)
which is the one i created right after the test and surely hasnt the corrected error bars

still you seem to have already uploaded the correct plots already here:

(www.rjamorim.com/test/64test/plot12z.png)
but the result page doesnt link to it


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post Apr 21 2004, 08:43
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OK, after lots of interpretation, I understood what you are saying.

Keep in mind this is the AAC test thread. And you mention "the results of the last aac test", and right under you link graphics of the 64kbps test. There was a knot in my brain ("what is he talking about after all?") smile.gif

Fixed it now. Thanks for reporting.

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I encode my audio cds with NERO mp4 @ 387kps....then listen with my 5.1...and thrash out to some insane sounding euphoric sound!
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