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Vorbis development, status & patent issues, PART 1 - NON-technical discussion
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Currently the Vorbis patent issue covers these threads:
Vorbis development, status & patent issues PART 1 - NON-technical discussion (This thread)
Vorbis development, status & patent issues PART 2 - Technical discussion
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To my ears, the compromises Vorbis makes at 64kbps are much more obvious than those of some other codecs. Simple as that.

As I noted, the stereo problems are much more annoying over headphones than they would be over speakers, listening off-centre.


What amazes me is when people say (see Slashdot!) "I encode at vorbis q0 and it sounds perfect". Do you encode stereo content? Do you own a pair of headphones? Can't you hear that all the sounds that used to be over there and over there, are now all lumped together in the centre?

Obviously not. They're probably like my wife: just can't hear stereo. Some people, having determined this fact, decide that they're not qualified to comment on audio quality, and leave it at that. But hey - on Slashdot, everyone is an expert! And Vorbis must be the best.

Cheers,
David.
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- 2Bdecided   Vorbis development, status & patent issues   Sep 24 2003, 12:22
- - c_haese   QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Sep 24 2003, 06:22 AM)To m...   Sep 24 2003, 13:59
- - Garf   QUOTE Differences are loss of fidelity. Artifacts ...   Sep 24 2003, 14:50
- - JohnV   QUOTE (c_haese @ Sep 24 2003, 03:59 PM)And it...   Sep 24 2003, 16:03
- - c_haese   QUOTE On 99.9% of my music collection, Vorbis prod...   Sep 24 2003, 16:16
- - Ivan Dimkovic   I must say some things regarding Vorbis, WMA, HE-A...   Sep 24 2003, 16:28
- - Garf   QUOTE This just underlines the point that I was ma...   Sep 24 2003, 16:32
- - c_haese   QUOTE (JohnV @ Sep 24 2003, 10:03 AM)QUOTE (c...   Sep 24 2003, 16:38
- - Ivan Dimkovic   QUOTE They say it's because they don't hav...   Sep 24 2003, 16:45
- - Garf   QUOTE However, I have asked one of the people that...   Sep 24 2003, 16:47
- - JohnV   QUOTE (c_haese @ Sep 24 2003, 06:38 PM)The fa...   Sep 24 2003, 16:50
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (c_haese @ Sep 24 2003, 12:38 PM)Update...   Sep 24 2003, 16:56
- - c_haese   QUOTE (Garf @ Sep 24 2003, 10:47 AM)QUOTE Ho...   Sep 24 2003, 16:58
- - Garf   Rational level? Sure, here are the facts: 1) Vorb...   Sep 24 2003, 17:07
- - Garf   QUOTE (JohnV @ Sep 24 2003, 05:50 PM)I don...   Sep 24 2003, 17:13
- - JohnV   QUOTE (c_haese @ Sep 24 2003, 06:58 PM)Please...   Sep 24 2003, 17:17
- - Ivan Dimkovic   QUOTE US5357594 (Not from FhG, but one of the Ahea...   Sep 24 2003, 17:17
- - Gabriel   QUOTE US5357594 (Not from FhG, but one of the Ahea...   Sep 24 2003, 17:19
- - c_haese   QUOTE 1) Vorbis keeps touting patent-free-ness as ...   Sep 24 2003, 17:19
- - spoon   QUOTE Difference is, Linux vendors such as HP are ...   Sep 24 2003, 17:25
- - c_haese   QUOTE (JohnV @ Sep 24 2003, 11:17 AM)I sure h...   Sep 24 2003, 17:26
- - menno   QUOTE (Gabriel @ Sep 24 2003, 05:19 PM)I am a...   Sep 24 2003, 17:26
- - Garf   Here's some other 'rational' thing tha...   Sep 24 2003, 17:27
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (spoon @ Sep 24 2003, 01:25 PM)FhG are ...   Sep 24 2003, 17:31
- - Ivan Dimkovic   QUOTE (c_haese @ Sep 24 2003, 04:19 PM)perfor...   Sep 24 2003, 17:32
- - Ivan Dimkovic   QUOTE (spoon @ Sep 24 2003, 04:25 PM)FhG are ...   Sep 24 2003, 17:33
- - Garf   QUOTE QUOTE 2) Nobody is willing to turn up any v...   Sep 24 2003, 17:33
- - JohnV   QUOTE (spoon @ Sep 24 2003, 07:25 PM)FhG are ...   Sep 24 2003, 17:36
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Sep 24 2003, 01:32 PM)...   Sep 24 2003, 17:39
- - spoon   QUOTE dead. Blade and Lame are only (legally) dist...   Sep 24 2003, 17:42
- - Garf   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Sep 24 2003, 06:39 PM)QUOTE...   Sep 24 2003, 17:44
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (spoon @ Sep 24 2003, 01:42 PM)Funny th...   Sep 24 2003, 17:44
- - Ivan Dimkovic   QUOTE That is exactly what Vorbis doesn't have...   Sep 24 2003, 17:45
- - spoon   QUOTE Which is exactly the reason why no serious b...   Sep 24 2003, 17:47
- - JohnV   QUOTE (Gabriel @ Sep 24 2003, 07:19 PM)US5214...   Sep 24 2003, 17:47
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (Ivan Dimkovic @ Sep 24 2003, 01:45 PM)...   Sep 24 2003, 17:50
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- - c_haese   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Sep 24 2003, 11:39 AM)QUOTE...   Sep 24 2003, 17:55
- - Garf   QUOTE (c_haese @ Sep 24 2003, 06:55 PM)At lea...   Sep 24 2003, 17:57
- - budgie   Just a bit off-topic, but it is a very rare case t...   Sep 24 2003, 18:02
- - Ivan Dimkovic   QUOTE Patents can bite anybody, whether they alrea...   Sep 24 2003, 18:03
- - Garf   QUOTE (budgie @ Sep 24 2003, 07:02 PM)Just a ...   Sep 24 2003, 18:06
- - tangent   A long time ago (actually, around two weeks), in a...   Sep 24 2003, 18:15
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- - c_haese   QUOTE (JohnV @ Sep 24 2003, 12:32 PM)Right, I...   Sep 24 2003, 18:44
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (c_haese @ Sep 24 2003, 02:44 PM)what w...   Sep 24 2003, 18:53
- - JohnV   QUOTE (c_haese @ Sep 24 2003, 08:44 PM)So, gi...   Sep 24 2003, 19:00
- - idioteque   Here's what pisses me off about Vorbis and Xip...   Sep 24 2003, 19:01
- - c_haese   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Sep 24 2003, 12:53 PM)QUOTE...   Sep 24 2003, 19:07
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (idioteque @ Sep 24 2003, 03:01 PM)I ca...   Sep 24 2003, 19:09
- - JohnV   QUOTE (c_haese @ Sep 24 2003, 09:07 PM)So, pl...   Sep 24 2003, 19:16
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (c_haese @ Sep 24 2003, 03:07 PM)Given ...   Sep 24 2003, 19:17
- - dev0   Sometimes you could even get the impression that X...   Sep 24 2003, 19:19
- - c_haese   QUOTE (JohnV @ Sep 24 2003, 01:00 PM)So, the ...   Sep 24 2003, 19:20
- - c_haese   QUOTE (JohnV @ Sep 24 2003, 01:16 PM)QUOTE (c...   Sep 24 2003, 19:22
- - c_haese   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Sep 24 2003, 01:17 PM)QUOTE...   Sep 24 2003, 19:26
- - JohnV   QUOTE (c_haese @ Sep 24 2003, 09:20 PM)Consid...   Sep 24 2003, 19:28
- - c_haese   QUOTE (JohnV @ Sep 24 2003, 01:28 PM)QUOTE (c...   Sep 24 2003, 19:34
- - JohnV   QUOTE (c_haese @ Sep 24 2003, 09:34 PM)QUOTE ...   Sep 24 2003, 19:51
- - upNorth   QUOTE (c_haese @ Sep 24 2003, 08:34 PM)QUOTE ...   Sep 24 2003, 19:55
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- - Garf   QUOTE (dev0 @ Sep 24 2003, 08:19 PM)Sometimes...   Sep 24 2003, 20:16
- - jmvalin   QUOTE (menno @ Sep 24 2003, 11:26 AM)QUOTE (G...   Sep 24 2003, 21:03
- - jmvalin   QUOTE (Garf @ Sep 24 2003, 10:47 AM)Nobody fr...   Sep 24 2003, 21:27
- - Dibrom   I think the matter about Vorbis and patents, and c...   Sep 24 2003, 21:30
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (jmvalin @ Sep 24 2003, 05:27 PM)I sugg...   Sep 24 2003, 21:39
- - Dibrom   QUOTE (jmvalin @ Sep 24 2003, 01:27 PM)So wha...   Sep 24 2003, 21:40
- - sthayashi   This is a question that's bothered me. If Vor...   Sep 24 2003, 21:47
- - JohnV   QUOTE (sthayashi @ Sep 24 2003, 11:47 PM)This...   Sep 24 2003, 21:51
- - c_haese   QUOTE (Dibrom @ Sep 24 2003, 03:30 PM)MPC for...   Sep 24 2003, 22:03
- - pieterdewever   QUOTE (c_haese @ Sep 24 2003, 01:03 PM)QUOTE ...   Sep 24 2003, 22:09
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- - spoon   >Wouldn't Xiph holding a patent on Vorbis t...   Sep 24 2003, 22:13
- - jmvalin   edit: removed double quote QUOTE But the problem,...   Sep 24 2003, 22:37
- - jmvalin   QUOTE (Garf @ Sep 24 2003, 11:13 AM)QUOTE (Jo...   Sep 24 2003, 22:46
- - JohnV   QUOTE (jmvalin @ Sep 25 2003, 12:46 AM)QUOTE ...   Sep 24 2003, 22:54
- - kwanbis   QUOTE (jmvalin @ Sep 24 2003, 09:37 PM)Can we...   Sep 24 2003, 22:58
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (kwanbis @ Sep 24 2003, 06:58 PM)PS1: g...   Sep 24 2003, 23:05
- - jmvalin   QUOTE (JohnV @ Sep 24 2003, 04:54 PM)Umm, so ...   Sep 24 2003, 23:17
- - Dibrom   QUOTE (jmvalin @ Sep 24 2003, 02:37 PM)I imag...   Sep 24 2003, 23:19
- - jmvalin   QUOTE QUOTE (jmvalin @ Sep 24 2003, 02:37 PM)...   Sep 24 2003, 23:48
- - danchr   QUOTE (jmvalin @ Sep 24 2003, 11:37 PM)So I h...   Sep 24 2003, 23:57
- - m0rbidini   QUOTE The answer is simple: Yes. An accused person...   Sep 25 2003, 00:07
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (m0rbidini @ Sep 24 2003, 08:07 PM)btw:...   Sep 25 2003, 00:15
- - jmvalin   QUOTE (danchr @ Sep 24 2003, 05:57 PM)QUOTE (...   Sep 25 2003, 00:20
- - Dibrom   No, and that's wholly irrelevant to my point....   Sep 25 2003, 00:21
- - rjamorim   QUOTE (jmvalin @ Sep 24 2003, 07:48 PM)You ne...   Sep 25 2003, 01:06
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- - rjamorim   QUOTE (jmvalin @ Sep 24 2003, 09:12 PM)You me...   Sep 25 2003, 01:16
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- - jmvalin   QUOTE (rjamorim @ Sep 24 2003, 07:16 PM)QUOTE...   Sep 25 2003, 01:37
- - Dibrom   QUOTE (jmvalin @ Sep 24 2003, 05:12 PM)QUOTE ...   Sep 25 2003, 01:39
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- - rjamorim   This is how I see this discussion: 1. - Monty cam...   Sep 25 2003, 01:57
- - jmvalin   QUOTE You're explaining "patent free...   Sep 25 2003, 02:21
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- - QuantumKnot   QUOTE (kwanbis @ Sep 25 2003, 07:58 AM)PS1: g...   Sep 25 2003, 02:30
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