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iRiver to support Vorbis, on almost all their players
kjoonlee
post Sep 26 2003, 09:23
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iRiver released news announcement detailing their plans for Vorbis playback.

In summary, most of their players are sure to support Vorbis, with the possible exception of the iFP-1xx line, and iMP-50, 100, and 150 line. Getting Vorbis running on the low-end iMP line may be difficult, and is quite difficult with the iFP-1xx line.

iHP-120 will support Vorbis out of the box, while the other iHP-1xxs will receive firmware upgrades in October. Next in line are iMP-550, 400, iFP-3xx, iMP-350, and finally, iMP-250, which will start getting upgraded firmware in December.

iMP-250, 350, iFP-3xx users will get a choice between MP3+WMA firmware and MP3+Vorbis firmware.

For the products to support Vorbis starting from December, iRiver has got 128kbps playback working, but they're aiming for a December release which supports bitrates up to 360kbps. They've had no such luck with the iFP-1xx line, however, and if no "breakthrough" in Vorbis decoding is found, then no Vorbis for the iFP-1xx line. They say they're still working on it though. smile.gif


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post Sep 26 2003, 10:05
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The same in English:
http://iriver.com/company/news_view.asp?idx=355
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post Sep 26 2003, 10:14
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Quote from iriver site:
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The iRiver R&D team estimates that customers who use iMP-250 and 350 might be forced to make a  selection between OGG firmware and MP3 & WMA firmware. This problem occurred because the OGG audio file format codec needs to be installed on the Nor flash memory, but iMP-250 and 350 do not have sufficient memory space for an additional codec.
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post Sep 26 2003, 10:19
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QUOTE (Gabriel @ Sep 26 2003, 06:05 PM)

Thank you very much. smile.gif


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post Sep 26 2003, 10:22
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QUOTE (Scidd0w @ Sep 26 2003, 06:14 PM)
Quote from iriver site:
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The iRiver R&D team estimates that customers who use iMP-250 and 350 might be forced to make a  selection between OGG firmware and MP3 & WMA firmware. This problem occurred because the OGG audio file format codec needs to be installed on the Nor flash memory, but iMP-250 and 350 do not have sufficient memory space for an additional codec.

That should have read "a choice between 'MP3 & Ogg' firmware and 'MP3 & WMA' firmware".


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post Sep 26 2003, 10:31
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post Sep 26 2003, 13:38
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QUOTE (Lev @ Sep 26 2003, 04:31 AM)
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biggrin.gif Lev, I at least have to congratulate you for trying to resist....

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post Sep 26 2003, 14:00
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post Sep 26 2003, 14:14
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RoFL!!! Was there even a choice there? happy.gif


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post Sep 26 2003, 14:18
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Why do they continue to call it OGG? It boggles my mind!


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post Sep 26 2003, 14:23
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QUOTE (kjoonlee @ Sep 26 2003, 10:23 AM)
They've had no such luck with the iFP-1xx line, however, and if no "breakthrough" in Vorbis decoding is found, then no Vorbis for the iFP-1xx line. They say they're still working on it though. smile.gif

Thanks for the info!

Why is it so difficult to get a Vorbis decoder running on an iFP-1xx? I mean they have >64 MB available...
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post Sep 26 2003, 14:28
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great, just deleted all my Vorbis files yesterday sad.gif((((((( ... but i'm so happy ... now, we only need vorbis 1.1 (tuned one wink.gif


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post Sep 26 2003, 14:33
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QUOTE (Continuum @ Sep 26 2003, 09:23 PM)
QUOTE (kjoonlee @ Sep 26 2003, 10:23 AM)
They've had no such luck with the iFP-1xx line, however, and if no "breakthrough" in Vorbis decoding is found, then no Vorbis for the iFP-1xx line. They say they're still working on it though. smile.gif

Thanks for the info!

Why is it so difficult to get a Vorbis decoder running on an iFP-1xx? I mean they have >64 MB available...

Maybe there isn't enough space on the firmware to handle another codec.

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post Sep 26 2003, 14:37
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Why is it so difficult to get a Vorbis decoder running on an iFP-1xx? I mean they have >64 MB available...

They only have 64MB of storage, not 64MB of ram
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post Sep 26 2003, 14:49
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QUOTE (AgentMil @ Sep 26 2003, 07:14 AM)
RoFL!!! Was there even a choice there? happy.gif

For me, now there is. Will I get the Karma or the iHP-120? Let see which makes it out to market first. I'd also like to see a price on the 20GB iRiver player.


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post Sep 26 2003, 15:11
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Finally...a straightforward announcement from iRiver smile.gif

One bummer though...

As announced, they will support only 44.1 kHz files. Pull anything off a DVD and the sample rate (usually) will be 48 kHz. Resampling cuts quality (marginally) and undoes any dithering. This is a step in the right direction, though.

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post Sep 26 2003, 15:32
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QUOTE (Gabriel @ Sep 26 2003, 03:37 PM)
They only have 64MB of storage, not 64MB of ram

I figured they used some kind of RAM in a solid state player wacko.gif. Maybe it's too slow for the enormous buffer needs of Vorbis ?!
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post Sep 26 2003, 16:46
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As September 25th 2003, iRiver R&D team has successfully achieved a result that 128Kbps OGG codec can be playing.



What does that mean exactly? Hopefully it doesn't mean that anything over 128kbs won't play? That would be all of my files.


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post Sep 26 2003, 17:09
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What a great news!

I think we need PEELING now. Does anybody know when VORBIS team going to make support for it?


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post Sep 26 2003, 17:34
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I just thought about terrible thing. iRiver says their decoder will be capable of playing up to 360 kbs. But as I know Vorbis Ogg uses up to 520 kbs. So what will be iRivers' decoder? CBR? Or ABR? It will not be able to decode files encoded in quality managment mode. Am I right? sad.gif

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post Sep 26 2003, 17:42
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QUOTE (de Mon @ Sep 26 2003, 08:34 AM)
I just thought about terrible thing. iRiver says their decoder will be capable of playing up to 360 kbs. But as I know Vorbis Ogg uses up to 520 kbs. So what will be iRivers' decoder? CBR? Or ABR? It will not be able to decode files encoded in quality managment mode. Am I right? sad.gif

Well. One must assume that it can't decode a file with an average bitrate above 360 kbps within the buffer, and I don't know how many seconds the iRiver buffers.
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post Sep 26 2003, 17:58
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QUOTE (Valefor @ Sep 26 2003, 08:42 AM)
QUOTE (de Mon @ Sep 26 2003, 08:34 AM)
I just thought about terrible thing. iRiver says their decoder will be capable of playing up to 360 kbs. But as I know Vorbis Ogg uses up to 520 kbs. So what will be iRivers' decoder? CBR? Or ABR? It will not be able to decode files encoded in quality managment mode. Am I right? sad.gif

Well. One must assume that it can't decode a file with an average bitrate above 360 kbps within the buffer, and I don't know how many seconds the iRiver buffers.

iRiver's buffer works also on Audio CD tracks (more than 1100 kbs). So I don't think the problem lays in bitrate and size.


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post Sep 26 2003, 18:04
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Hmm, I am confident that when (IF) they do release this Ogg firmware, that:

It will fail for most people.
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Then, there will be lots of talking.
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And then an updated firmware release will be released within a week.
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And all will be well, no matter what bitrate you use
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post Sep 26 2003, 18:09
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Is it safe to assume that the iHP's will also display Ogg Comments, as opposed to the ID3 tags that they use for MP3?
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QUOTE (kjoonlee @ Sep 26 2003, 03:23 AM)
In summary, most of their players are sure to support Vorbis, with the possible exception of the iFP-1xx line, and iMP-50, 100, and 150 line. Getting Vorbis running on the low-end iMP line may be difficult, and is quite difficult with the iFP-1xx line.

Guess that IMP-150 of mine will be featured on eBay soon wink.gif

Altough, on the other hand, I don't seem to have much use for Vorbis (now)


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