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jasnic02
post Jul 4 2003, 20:27
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Here's a problem that has really been bugging me. I want to know how everyone else handles capitalization in their file tags and filenames. I have read the guide that cddb suggests, which is different than what musicbrainz.org wants, which is different than what freedb wants, which might all be different to what everyone else wants. I am trying to add this to a perl script that I use for all my encoding and I want to get it right this time!

Do you uppercase the first character in all the words? Do you leave certain words like 'a', 'an', 'the', 'of' lowercase? Any others you leave lowercase? I have looked at English rules for capitalization for song titles and it gets real confusing. For instance, prepositions that are less than five letters long (at, by, for, etc) or lower-case, but only when followed by a noun. How do you script the exeptions for that?

What if the song has the artist 'Featuring' another artist? Or 'With' another artist? Do you append that to the track name instead of the artist field? Do you use the abbreviation 'ft.', 'ft', 'Feat.', 'feat.', 'Feat', 'feat', or 'With', 'with'?

If the disc is part of a 2-disc set do you use (Disc 1) or (Disc 1 of 2) in the album field?

So far, I have been capitalizing all the words .. using 'ft' and appending it to the track title instead of the artist field.

Please let me know how you handle this! There must be some sort of standardization or something that most people go by. If not, there should be!

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ScorLibran
post Oct 30 2003, 08:43
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My personal methods, which have evolved somewhat from my previous posts in this thread (though some of this may be repeating myself), are as follows...

QUOTE (bfourney @ Oct 29 2003, 03:09 PM)
1.  Do featured artists belong as part of the song title, artists name, or maybe under the comments field?  How should it be formatted?

IMO, since a featured artist is still an artist, it should be part of the artist name IMO...

ARTIST=Placebo (feat. David Bowie)
ALBUM=Black Market Music
TITLE=Without You I'm Nothing

Granted, the artist is not correct for the whole album, but I can still navigate by either value (artist name or album name), as the main organization structure for my music is just folder listings anyway...

D:\Music\<artist>\<album>\nn <trackname>.ogg
...or...
D:\Music\Soundtrack\<album>\nn <trackname>.ogg

I sort by primary artist. In the above example, all tracks are under...
D:\Music\Placebo\Black Market Music\
...even though at least one track has a featured artist, and accordingly has a different artist tag.

QUOTE (bfourney @ Oct 29 2003, 03:09 PM)
2.  How to name bonus tracks?

I generally just show the track title with no special indicator for a bonus track, as it's not really important to me. If I need to differentiate between different releases of an album, one with bonus tracks and one without, I just go to AMG and look at a track listing (doesn't work for bootlegs, but there are no bonus tracks on bootlegs anyway...the whole album is a "bonus"). However, I will append "(Live)" or "(Remix)" to tracks of those types.

QUOTE (bfourney @ Oct 29 2003, 03:09 PM)
3.  What about hidden or untitled tracks?  If a track is hidden after a long pause do you extract it seperately as another track even though technically it was originally part of another?

For hidden tracks that are actually part of another track after some kind of pause, I just rip the whole thing as one track, as it exists on the CD (in the interest of preserving the original organization of the CD's content).

Hidden tracks that are seperate from other tracks, I rip and name as their own track (if they have a name), as if they weren't hidden at all. Untitled tracks I simply name with a space, such as...

TRACK=13
TITLE=
FILENAME=13 .ogg

QUOTE (bfourney @ Oct 29 2003, 03:09 PM)
4.  How do you define what goes into what Genre?  I suppose this is more of a personal thing, but how do you decide?  What if something falls into more than one Genre?  What if you only have one disc with a unique genre, do you create a new genre just for it?

Ugh...genres. There are just to many genres and sub-genres and styles for me to spend the time and effort to try to figure out what belongs in the single GENRE field for a track. I don't index my music by genre anyway, so ~85% of my music is Rock (though there are myriads of sub-genres), ~10% is Electronica (though some may actually be Techno or House or Trance), ~3% is Classical, ~1% is Folk, and ~1% is Hip-Hop. If sub-genres were more clearly defined for me, and if I had time to have custom Vorbis comments to reflect the multiple genres much of my music belongs to, then maybe I'd care more about accurate genre classification. (i.e., is Liz Phair "Rock", or "Indie", or "Pop", or "Folk", or "Lo-Fi"? I've seen her stuff listed as any one of those.)

QUOTE (bfourney @ Oct 29 2003, 03:09 PM)
5.  What about compilations?  Do you define the original album and year to each track?  An Individual Genre to each track?

I apply only the name of the compilation album and the compilation year to each such track. The reason is because I find many tracks in compilations to be slightly different from their original instances, whether different mastering or a song length that's off by even one second. Since many compilation tracks are therefore not perfectly interchangeable with the those on the studio albums they came from, those tracks belong only to the compilation, IMO. A specific example is Echoes: The Best Of Pink Floyd. Those tracks were re-mastered to "flow together" gaplessly within the compilation, and are therefore significantly different at the beginning and end of each track from the studio album versions.

QUOTE (bfourney @ Oct 29 2003, 03:09 PM)
6.  For multi disc sets I pretty much have my own standard.  I don't put the discnumber in the album field because like fileman said it is all the same album.  I keep the original tracknumbers (so if disc 1 has 12 tracks song 5 on disc 2 is still track 5, not 17).  I seperate the filenames so track 1 on disc 1 would be...

What I do with most multi-disc sets (different than your method) is to put all tracks into one directory, and number them as if they were on one disc. There are a few exceptions in cases where this really shouldn't be done if -1- the discs are released seperately (Guns 'N' Roses Use Your Illusion I & II and Rush Retrospective I & II come to mind), or -2- the discs have "different purposes" (U2 The Best Of 1990-2000 and The B-Sides 1990-2000, as well as Pink Floyd Ummagumma where one disc is live and the other is studio). But, for instance, I keep The Wall as one album with 26 tracks (numbered accordingly), and The Police Live the same way, like most of my other compilations. Even box sets I'll do the same with most often. The Allman Brothers Band Dreams is a 4-disc box set, but I keep it as one album with 55 tracks. It just easier for me to handle that way I guess (and it's the way I'm used to doing it anyway).


Edit: Hey...This was my 500th post!

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- jasnic02   Tags And Capitalization Question   Jul 4 2003, 20:27
- - Boredom801   QUOTE (jasnic02 @ Jul 4 2003, 07:27 PM)Here...   Jul 5 2003, 18:03
- - Canar   Probably the best way to do a lot of it is to use ...   Jul 5 2003, 19:22
- - Jebus   I don't use any of those special tags for disc...   Jul 5 2003, 20:12
- - ScorLibran   Here's what I've been doing so far, but my...   Jul 6 2003, 08:10
- - Omni   From my old college textbook (Yes! I still ke...   Jul 6 2003, 08:49
- - Canar   QUOTE (ScorLibran @ Jul 5 2003, 11:10 PM)As f...   Jul 6 2003, 08:49
- - ScorLibran   QUOTE (Canar @ Jul 6 2003, 03:49 AM)However, ...   Jul 6 2003, 13:12
- - MachineHead   I cap everything. Proper it is not, but everything...   Jul 6 2003, 13:45
- - BadHorsie   QUOTE (jasnic02 @ Jul 4 2003, 11:27 AM)Here...   Jul 6 2003, 14:00
- - getID3()   Throwing my tagging variant into the mix: Track t...   Jul 6 2003, 18:33
- - /\/ephaestous   Track titles: - All caps except for a, an, the, of...   Jul 6 2003, 19:42
- - Canar   What would be really nice is a hierarchical listin...   Jul 6 2003, 22:59
- - ScorLibran   Slightly off-topic... Speaking of tags and genres...   Jul 7 2003, 11:16
- - dewey1973   Here is what I do... 1. download info from freed...   Jul 7 2003, 18:37
- - CyberInferno   QUOTE (Omni @ Jul 5 2003, 11:49 PM)For instan...   Jul 7 2003, 18:45
- - jasnic02   Well, this has definitely been helpful for me. I ...   Jul 7 2003, 19:55
- - rpop   Sorry if I missed something or wrote something tha...   Aug 12 2003, 11:16
- - fileman   ... but then you have again to make a decision (is...   Aug 12 2003, 12:28
- - Sebastian Mares   I don't care about standards, so I always capi...   Aug 12 2003, 13:24
- - ScorLibran   Holy thread revival, Batman! This thread take...   Aug 12 2003, 13:40
- - bfourney   I've begun to come across these issues lately ...   Oct 29 2003, 21:09
- - CyberInferno   I believe the "standard" as far as featu...   Oct 29 2003, 23:16
- - sshd   English being my second language I have often wond...   Oct 29 2003, 23:42
- - Pio2001   I capitalize all words exept articles, conjunction...   Oct 30 2003, 00:10
- - sshd   QUOTE (Pio2001 @ Oct 30 2003, 12:10 AM)The pr...   Oct 30 2003, 06:03
- - ScorLibran   My personal methods, which have evolved somewhat f...   Oct 30 2003, 08:43
- - Go2Null   Another revival of this thread I have just st...   Dec 30 2003, 20:05


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