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post Jul 12 2013, 20:45
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http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/opus/2013-July/002158.html

Please can anyone compile it for Windows so I can start testing?

I may just need to learn how to at least compile.

Thanks.
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post Aug 1 2013, 22:21
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Jmvalin, while the new beta sounds in general pretty good there are still the old problems with tonality, especially sharp guitar strikes. It aren't a few killer samples, but a lot of acoustic guitar stuff that just isn't transparent at 192 kbps because of that, despite the use of the tonality detector. Do you see anything still possible for improvement on that?

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QUOTE (Gainless @ Aug 1 2013, 17:21) *
Jmvalin, while the new beta sounds in general pretty good there are still the old problems with tonality, especially sharp guitar strikes. It aren't a few killer samples, but a lot of acoustic guitar stuff that just isn't transparent at 192 kbps because of that, despite the use of the tonality detector. Do you see anything still possible for improvement on that?


It's probably still possible to do better. It's a matter of understanding the cause for each sample (it could be a different reason for each). If you want to play around with the code you can try changing the amount of boosting to see what difference it makes. Among the possible causes, there's "not enough boost", but also the tonality detector itself not triggering (enough), or some allocation issue.
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QUOTE (jmvalin @ Aug 2 2013, 09:32) *
QUOTE (Gainless @ Aug 1 2013, 17:21) *
Jmvalin, while the new beta sounds in general pretty good there are still the old problems with tonality, especially sharp guitar strikes. It aren't a few killer samples, but a lot of acoustic guitar stuff that just isn't transparent at 192 kbps because of that, despite the use of the tonality detector. Do you see anything still possible for improvement on that?


It's probably still possible to do better. It's a matter of understanding the cause for each sample (it could be a different reason for each). If you want to play around with the code you can try changing the amount of boosting to see what difference it makes. Among the possible causes, there's "not enough boost", but also the tonality detector itself not triggering (enough), or some allocation issue.

The tonality detector is doing fine at boosting, at least for the guitar stuff I've mentioned. The problem is more that certain types of tonality seem to be particulartly hard to code, e.g. resonance/fuzz from lower acoustic strings (which I've also mentioned here), and would need some extra boost. But I guess it would be pretty hard to make a detector for such special cases.

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- eahm   Opus 1.1-beta   Jul 12 2013, 20:45
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- - Anakunda   Here: I think U need Win7 or newer Don't forge...   Jul 13 2013, 00:39
|- - NullC   QUOTE (Anakunda @ Jul 12 2013, 16:39) Her...   Jul 13 2013, 01:21
- - Anakunda   What obfuscation do you mean? Check opusenc --vers...   Jul 13 2013, 01:25
|- - NullC   QUOTE (Anakunda @ Jul 12 2013, 17:25) Wha...   Jul 13 2013, 05:30
|- - Lear   QUOTE (NullC @ Jul 13 2013, 06:30) Sorry,...   Jul 13 2013, 08:47
|- - Anakunda   QUOTE (Lear @ Jul 13 2013, 09:47) They...   Jul 13 2013, 09:14
- - RobertM   I've tried out a few samples and happy to repo...   Jul 13 2013, 08:38
|- - IgorC   QUOTE (RobertM @ Jul 13 2013, 04:38) I...   Jul 14 2013, 03:33
- - zerowalker   Lovely, been waiting for Opus to update it, was so...   Jul 13 2013, 10:06
- - Gainless   Nice to see the beta finally up here. Apart from t...   Jul 13 2013, 12:15
- - alter4   That is good news actually! But what is nec...   Jul 14 2013, 11:23
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|- - ChronoSphere   QUOTE (IgorC @ Jul 15 2013, 18:39) The ex...   Jul 15 2013, 19:12
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|- - jensend   QUOTE (saratoga @ Jul 16 2013, 11:08) QUO...   Jul 18 2013, 07:50
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (jensend @ Jul 18 2013, 02:50) A sp...   Jul 18 2013, 18:22
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|- - jmvalin   QUOTE (darkbyte @ Jul 27 2013, 09:32) One...   Jul 28 2013, 17:32
|- - Speckmade   QUOTE (darkbyte @ Jul 29 2013, 12:31) QUO...   Aug 8 2013, 10:38
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|- - darkbyte   QUOTE (jmvalin @ Jul 31 2013, 23:33) Even...   Aug 7 2013, 17:48
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|- - jmvalin   QUOTE (Gainless @ Aug 1 2013, 17:21) Jmva...   Aug 2 2013, 08:32
||- - Gainless   QUOTE (jmvalin @ Aug 2 2013, 09:32) QUOTE...   Aug 2 2013, 20:01
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|- - jmvalin   QUOTE (Gainless @ Aug 15 2013, 16:06) Tha...   Aug 15 2013, 21:11
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- - LithosZA   Hi jmvalin, Yes, I am still having the same issue...   Nov 27 2013, 06:43
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