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Newbie with VBR and ABR MP3's and choosing Bit Rates
ThomasG3rd
post Apr 26 2013, 21:00
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Hello All:
Would love some information on VBR and ABR MP3's. When I started My Digital Music Collection a few years ago I started with 256 and 320 CBR MP3's. I usually ripped my music with WMP. Last year, I got rid of WMP and switched over to another media player. It was some free player which was called fre:ac which had a newer version of lame. I still used CBR's and I found them to sound better then the songs ripped by my old version of WMP, but I started messing around with other formats. I found that wma's (non protected) at 256 to 320 outshined my CBR MP3's at the same bitrate, so I started using the WMA's. This led to a problem. Even though my three mp3 players all suport wma's at 320, the wma's hit the battery hard. The wma's seem to suck about 50% more battery life then the MP3's did. (and I still had mp3 on my player, but majority of my music was wma.) So I did some research and found that VBR or ABR mp3's are the way to go, giving you better quality. I tried this and I really like the way they sound. I also downloaded media monkey and use this to rip my CD's. MM was a highly recommended media player and even though I dont know what version of lame it is using, it seems to do the job fairly well. So here comes my questions and sorry about the long introduction. I need some advice for the settings. I have played around with many and I have found that using the ~245 setting with no advanced settings seem to do the trick. I listen to metal, classic rock+pop/oldies, electroinica and jazz and I usually end up with a bit rate of 280 for metal and electronica and 255 for jazz and classic rock. I would love some advice some of my other settings and would love some opinions of my settings. Hopefully you will have some fun with this as I know some of you are audiophiles and would love your opinions. I am trying to get the best quality of my music with the lowest Bit rate possible so the battery doesnt get eaten up. Here are my settings:
1.~245 (no advance settings) This seems pretty good as stated before, but without any setting to let you know what you set the lowest bitrate for, sometimes I have songs that drop down to an "average bit rate" of 240. This happened with John Coltrane and Miles Davis. Also with Traffic and Steely Dan the average was about 260. I thought this was a bit low for those types of music. I thought Jazz and Progressive Classic Rock such as Steely Dan,Yes, and Pink Floyd demanded a higher bit rate and even though the music would peak up in the 320's at times (hence the advantage of VBR) this seems kinda low for an average.
2.~245 with advance settings of lowest bit rate of 256 and highest of 320. I have bit resoviour turned off. This setting is good as I get a higher avreage bitrate, usually 295-305. Pretty Close to the 320 mark I am sure that its just the same. Most all types of Music come out at around that Bit-rate. Big question about this is that if a song hits a passage of lets say 160, does the encoder still go that low since I set lowest to 256.?
3. 300ABR-I use this when I get a file that has an average Bit rate that I think is to low with the other previous settings. I heard its almost like VBR, but I cant seem to find anything on its actual behaviors. With this I get a a average Bit rate of 290.
Are the Bitrates I am choosing Overkill? What setting would you choose? I think that there might be a slight difference between a file playing at an average of 225 then 305 but it just might be like a placebo effect and once I know I am playing a song at a lower average bitrate it doesnt sound as good so my ears are helping me in my test..lol Does anyone hear a difference with large numbers of values in bitrates? I understand this is really difficult because so many people have different views. I know some people that say 192cbr is cd quality (i disagree, but if thats what your ears tell you then go for it) I just want to see what the majority has to say of where they like their average bit rate to be or what they think is needed to achieve highest quality. Love to hear from as many as possible

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I don't believe it's controversial to say that you stand to lose more audible quality when transcoding transparent mp3 to a second generation mp3 than converting lossless to mp3 using the same settings due to increased temporal smearing.


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- ThomasG3rd   Newbie with VBR and ABR MP3's and choosing Bit Rates   Apr 26 2013, 21:00
- - greynol   Hi and welcome. I'm seeing quite a few statem...   Apr 26 2013, 21:32
|- - ThomasG3rd   QUOTE (greynol @ Apr 26 2013, 12:32) Hi a...   Apr 26 2013, 21:50
|- - greynol   QUOTE (ThomasG3rd @ Apr 26 2013, 13:50) I...   Apr 26 2013, 22:15
|- - ThomasG3rd   QUOTE (greynol @ Apr 26 2013, 14:15) QUOT...   Apr 26 2013, 22:34
- - Porcus   ThomasG3rd: - Your original posting contained a f...   Apr 26 2013, 22:24
|- - ThomasG3rd   QUOTE (Porcus @ Apr 26 2013, 14:24) Thoma...   Apr 26 2013, 22:46
- - mjb2006   I don't know about battery life... depends on ...   Apr 26 2013, 22:30
|- - ThomasG3rd   QUOTE (mjb2006 @ Apr 26 2013, 14:30) I do...   Apr 26 2013, 22:40
|- - Nessuno   QUOTE (mjb2006 @ Apr 26 2013, 23:30) foob...   Apr 27 2013, 14:08
|- - DonP   QUOTE (Nessuno @ Apr 27 2013, 08:08) QUOT...   Apr 27 2013, 14:35
|- - mjb2006   The point is that it's way less convenient; do...   Apr 27 2013, 15:25
- - greynol   The most common answer to the question, "whic...   Apr 26 2013, 23:00
- - halb27   a) With your bitrate settings chance is very low t...   Apr 26 2013, 23:04
- - greynol   For those who belong in the first category, you ca...   Apr 26 2013, 23:16
- - psycho   ThomasG3rd, I can suggest for the metal part of yo...   Apr 27 2013, 08:39
- - db1989   QUOTE (ThomasG3rd @ Apr 26 2013, 21:00) 2...   Apr 27 2013, 13:25
|- - halb27   QUOTE (db1989 @ Apr 27 2013, 14:25) QUOTE...   Apr 27 2013, 22:37
|- - Aleron Ives   QUOTE (halb27 @ Apr 27 2013, 14:37) [...]...   Apr 28 2013, 06:41
|- - halb27   OK, this makes sense.   Apr 28 2013, 08:45
- - db1989   QUOTE (halb27 @ Apr 27 2013, 22:37) I wou...   Apr 28 2013, 15:21
- - ThomasG3rd   I thank all for the comments and help. I was in no...   Apr 28 2013, 17:52
|- - greynol   QUOTE (ThomasG3rd @ Apr 28 2013, 09:52) T...   Apr 28 2013, 19:21
|- - Ouroboros   QUOTE (greynol @ Apr 28 2013, 19:21) .......   Apr 28 2013, 20:38
|- - ThomasG3rd   QUOTE (Ouroboros @ Apr 28 2013, 12:38) QU...   Apr 29 2013, 00:42
- - db1989   My interpretation of the OPís references to that a...   Apr 28 2013, 20:22
- - halb27   As the OP is talking about '~245 bit resouviou...   Apr 28 2013, 20:59
|- - ThomasG3rd   QUOTE (halb27 @ Apr 28 2013, 12:59) As th...   Apr 29 2013, 00:52
|- - ThomasG3rd   QUOTE (halb27 @ Apr 28 2013, 11:59) As th...   Apr 29 2013, 01:29
|- - probedb   QUOTE (ThomasG3rd @ Apr 29 2013, 01:29) J...   Apr 29 2013, 10:05
|- - ThomasG3rd   QUOTE (probedb @ Apr 29 2013, 01:05) QUOT...   Apr 29 2013, 17:32
|- - greynol   QUOTE (ThomasG3rd @ Apr 29 2013, 09:32) e...   Apr 29 2013, 17:54
|- - Nessuno   QUOTE (ThomasG3rd @ Apr 29 2013, 18:32) 5...   Apr 29 2013, 18:40
|- - benski   QUOTE (ThomasG3rd @ Apr 29 2013, 11:32) 5...   Apr 29 2013, 19:57
|- - halb27   QUOTE (ThomasG3rd @ Apr 29 2013, 18:32) 5...   Apr 30 2013, 08:10
|- - ThomasG3rd   Thats really cool, I hardly got a chance to mess a...   May 1 2013, 01:43
- - DigitalMan   Something we need to explain is that LAME has a nu...   Apr 28 2013, 21:23
- - greynol   It would serve you well to empower yourself by con...   Apr 29 2013, 06:15
- - shadowking   I think mp3 isn't a good choice if your very O...   Apr 29 2013, 09:25
- - halb27   I think it's a bit unlucky that now that the O...   Apr 29 2013, 12:04
|- - greynol   QUOTE (halb27 @ Apr 29 2013, 04:04) more ...   Apr 29 2013, 12:11
|- - halb27   QUOTE (greynol @ Apr 29 2013, 13:11) QUOT...   Apr 29 2013, 13:29
- - Kohlrabi   My impression is that most of the confusion comes ...   Apr 29 2013, 12:22
- - greynol   With all due respect, based on your last two posts...   Apr 29 2013, 15:40
- - benski   Thomas, the problem that you are having is that yo...   Apr 29 2013, 16:51
- - ThomasG3rd   I have done some listening test and yes I have fou...   Apr 29 2013, 17:14
|- - db1989   QUOTE (ThomasG3rd @ Apr 29 2013, 17:14) A...   Apr 29 2013, 20:44
- - greynol   So you're using the ABX utility within foobar2...   Apr 29 2013, 17:26
- - 2Bdecided   Has anyone mentioned the FAQ? Has anyone read the...   Apr 29 2013, 17:43
- - ThomasG3rd   Since I am cannot re-rip my whole collection, (som...   May 1 2013, 02:11
|- - saratoga   QUOTE (ThomasG3rd @ Apr 30 2013, 21:11) S...   May 1 2013, 03:30
- - greynol   I don't believe it's controversial to say ...   May 1 2013, 06:25


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