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What's the mystery with tagging WAV files?
Hellosailor
post Nov 6 2010, 01:46
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I really have tried searching online, and everyone seems to agree that it is impossible to tag a WAV file with any standard information. Not to argue about what "tag" means...but if you rip a cd with Windows Media Player, WMP embeds artist, track number, track title, and other information apparently in the head of the wav files. Other tools embed it in the tail of the file, so there are at least two conflicting ways to do this. And my attempts to use a hex editor and do it the hard way haven't been pretty, or effective.

So, what does it take (don't say "impossible" because it obviously is done by WMP) to enter the artist, title, track, etc. information in a WAV file in a way that both WMP and other tools will recognize it?

Are there really NO TOOLS AT ALL that can do what the clunker from Microsoft has done for so many years?
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post Nov 6 2010, 02:28
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There is no mystery. The specification allows for storing of data chunks either in the beginning or the end of file. However, most application use either the first or the second approach.
There is also a list of standard chunks defined by few specifications.
Most audio editors use (limited list of) chunks for storing metadata in wavs, just because they work mainly with wav files as a source.
Most audio players do not support wav chunks.
If you want to see an intelligent autio player/organizer, which support chunks in the beginning and the end of file, as well as UTF-8/system codepage switching, which treats the wav "tags" in the same way as all other tag formats, try MusicBee.
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post Nov 6 2010, 02:34
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Audacity can write WAV files with INFO tags. dBpowerAMP Music Converter can do this too.
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post Nov 6 2010, 02:45
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This is probably baseless speculation, but are you certain WMP doesn't simply store that info in its database, not the WAV files?
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post Nov 6 2010, 05:42
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Audiograbber also had the ability to store tags for its ripped WAVs, but its for its own use for future encodings. IIRC the tags are appended at the end of the WAV. Other software may have trouble of playing these WAVs with tags.


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post Nov 6 2010, 10:09
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By the way: WMP 12 writes 'LIST' chunk first, then 'fmt ' chunk. Both Audacity and dMC do the opposite: 'fmt ' chunk first, then 'LIST'. Probably that's why WMP cannot read tags from these files.

(usual advice: use lossless formats with proper tagging support)
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post Nov 9 2010, 04:43
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Thanks, all. I will look at some of those suggestions but can tell you that WMP does indeed store info in the WAV file, at the top of the file. And it does not recognize anything that Audacity (1.2.x, the non-beta version) stores in WAV files, unless there's some option I haven't found yet on that. More to follow.
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post Feb 22 2011, 14:37
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In case of WMP11:
Only when ripping a CD to WAV a couple of RIFF Info Tags are written.
You can't change them afterwards.
The tags are:
IART (artist)
INAM (title)
IPRD (product)
IGNR (genre)
ITOC (?)
ITRK (track number)

Don't know if this is changed in WMP12 as I stopped using WMP


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post Jul 13 2015, 21:44
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QUOTE (lvqcl @ Nov 5 2010, 19:34) *
Audacity can write WAV files with INFO tags. dBpowerAMP Music Converter can do this too.

While Audacity and dbPoweramp "claim" to write ID3v2 and INFO tags, none of them are recognized by Windows Media Player. I have had the same problem for years and I have tried 100's of tag editors - NONE of them work for WMP recognition. Once you add a wav file to WMP library and update the information in the library, it will show up in the player but that is ONLY because the info is now a part of the wmp database - NOT in the wav file itself. Transfer the wave file to another machine, and the tag information that you thought was there is gone. If you are looking for a way to add album or artist tag information to wav files (and NOT to any database) for WMP, it does not exist. All claims to the contrary, dbPoweramp, Foobar2000, JRiver Media, AudioShell, Metadata Touch, BSI32, (the list goes on and on) DO NOT WORK as claimed for WMP tag recognition of wav files.
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post Jul 13 2015, 21:51
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A likely explanation was already given:
QUOTE (lvqcl @ Nov 6 2010, 02:09) *
By the way: WMP 12 writes 'LIST' chunk first, then 'fmt ' chunk. Both Audacity and dMC do the opposite: 'fmt ' chunk first, then 'LIST'. Probably that's why WMP cannot read tags from these files.

(usual advice: use lossless formats with proper tagging support)

By "lossless formats" I'm pretty sure he specifically meant compressed lossless formats...

...or am I being redundant?

...or am I just being tedious?

...or??? (that one is for AJ wink.gif)

This post has been edited by greynol: Jul 13 2015, 23:57


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post Jul 14 2015, 11:46
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QUOTE (Roseval @ Feb 22 2011, 14:37) *
In case of WMP11:
Only when ripping a CD to WAV a couple of RIFF Info Tags are written.
You can't change them afterwards.
The tags are:
IART (artist)
INAM (title)
IPRD (product)
IGNR (genre)
ITOC (?)
ITRK (track number)

Don't know if this is changed in WMP12 as I stopped using WMP


In the MiniDisc era TOC meant Table of Contents. It was written to disk when Ejecting or powering off the device.

Maybe ITOC is also some table, but don't know what exactly.


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post Jul 14 2015, 13:04
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QUOTE (stevekgreer@gmail.com @ Jul 13 2015, 20:44) *
While Audacity and dbPoweramp "claim" to write ID3v2 and INFO tags


There is no claim, it is an actuality, dBpoweramp writes ID3v2 and INFO, it is another matter if a 3rd party program can read from those tags.


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post Jul 14 2015, 17:27
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QUOTE (Roseval @ Feb 22 2011, 14:37) *
ITOC (?)
FWIW (and I know this is an old thread that someone has dragged up) I didn't find that one when I was creating this...
http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Tag_Mapping (but I've added it now)
...and it's not here either...
http://age.hobba.nl/audio/tag_frame_reference.html
...BUT Spoon mentions it, and describes the format, here...
https://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php...torage-of-CDTOC

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