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AccurateRip "total" matches count, doesn't match the offset match counts added together
Akkurat
post Dec 30 2009, 01:41
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I guess there's a perfectly sound wink.gif explanation to the following, I'm just curious and can't find the info.. or doesn't understand. biggrin.gif

1st log:
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[Verification date: 21.9.2009 14:09:25]
[Disc ID: 00313bb6-027371b9-fd128e11]
Track [ CRC ] Status
01 [84377365] (13/90) Accurately ripped
02 [aedb53ef] (13/90) Accurately ripped
03 [bade2429] (13/91) Accurately ripped
04 [d9852182] (13/91) Accurately ripped
05 [7a68af3e] (13/91) Accurately ripped
06 [2a7a1243] (13/89) Accurately ripped
07 [ecb4d9dc] (13/91) Accurately ripped
08 [d0a1b6fa] (13/88) Accurately ripped
09 [18fdda6d] (13/90) Accurately ripped
10 [b8dd2257] (13/87) Accurately ripped
11 [fede2232] (14/94) Accurately ripped
12 [83763f4d] (13/93) Accurately ripped
13 [2db8820f] (13/88) Accurately ripped
14 [7e40c802] (13/89) Accurately ripped
15 [03c8af59] (13/87) Accurately ripped
16 [e6eaf287] (13/83) Accurately ripped
17 [be3670c1] (13/84) Accurately ripped
Offsetted by 1992:
01 [c336ac1e] (29/90) Accurately ripped
02 [9a672087] (30/90) Accurately ripped
03 [396ddccc] (30/91) Accurately ripped
04 [07a3ea04] (30/91) Accurately ripped
05 [a7f8b0ff] (30/91) Accurately ripped
06 [b59eae83] (29/89) Accurately ripped
07 [1fd43246] (29/91) Accurately ripped
08 [45debebe] (29/88) Accurately ripped
09 [f7f49ce6] (31/90) Accurately ripped
10 [e588eca1] (30/87) Accurately ripped
11 [33917a04] (31/94) Accurately ripped
12 [3d62d53b] (30/93) Accurately ripped
13 [f775f666] (29/88) Accurately ripped
14 [93d7adb8] (30/89) Accurately ripped
15 [ffc33afc] (31/87) Accurately ripped
16 [cf381ac8] (29/83) Accurately ripped
17 [f285a7ca] (29/84) Accurately ripped

Track [ CRC32 ] [W/O NULL] [ LOG ]
-- [57CE15FD] [0D70E973]
01 [73479712] [3C883715] CRC32
02 [5C5495F0] [013D8217] CRC32
03 [2115A8D2] [34DAF50B] CRC32
04 [5629927F] [79D34DE5] CRC32
05 [464277B1] [E2F5BD10] CRC32
06 [CB950083] [515CD7CB] CRC32
07 [7AC22BDD] [A6E69D81] CRC32
08 [7AE2F83B] [4E8EF787] CRC32
09 [334475E0] [33D54AA1] CRC32
10 [F6C4CD99] [47932C5E] CRC32
11 [9908DA20] [0987162A] CRC32
12 [270883D3] [E4592CA9] CRC32
13 [C13A935C] [8C6A78C4] CRC32
14 [E63E2C7A] [7CE85EC6] CRC32
15 [1E3FDCDE] [F233654A] CRC32
16 [0AA20933] [D03517AF] CRC32
17 [A41602DB] [2BF4499A] CRC32


2nd log:
CODE
[Verification date: 30.12.2009 2:12:53]
[Disc ID: 00313bb6-027371b9-fd128e11]
Track [ CRC ] Status
01 [84377365] (14/100) Accurately ripped
02 [aedb53ef] (14/100) Accurately ripped
03 [bade2429] (14/101) Accurately ripped
04 [d9852182] (14/101) Accurately ripped
05 [7a68af3e] (14/101) Accurately ripped
06 [2a7a1243] (14/99) Accurately ripped
07 [ecb4d9dc] (14/101) Accurately ripped
08 [d0a1b6fa] (14/98) Accurately ripped
09 [18fdda6d] (14/100) Accurately ripped
10 [b8dd2257] (14/97) Accurately ripped
11 [fede2232] (15/104) Accurately ripped
12 [83763f4d] (14/103) Accurately ripped
13 [2db8820f] (14/98) Accurately ripped
14 [7e40c802] (14/99) Accurately ripped
15 [03c8af59] (14/97) Accurately ripped
16 [e6eaf287] (14/93) Accurately ripped
17 [be3670c1] (14/93) Accurately ripped
Offsetted by 1992:
01 [c336ac1e] (33/100) Accurately ripped
02 [9a672087] (34/100) Accurately ripped
03 [396ddccc] (34/101) Accurately ripped
04 [07a3ea04] (34/101) Accurately ripped
05 [a7f8b0ff] (34/101) Accurately ripped
06 [b59eae83] (33/99) Accurately ripped
07 [1fd43246] (33/101) Accurately ripped
08 [45debebe] (33/98) Accurately ripped
09 [f7f49ce6] (35/100) Accurately ripped
10 [e588eca1] (34/97) Accurately ripped
11 [33917a04] (35/104) Accurately ripped
12 [3d62d53b] (34/103) Accurately ripped
13 [f775f666] (33/98) Accurately ripped
14 [93d7adb8] (34/99) Accurately ripped
15 [ffc33afc] (35/97) Accurately ripped
16 [cf381ac8] (33/93) Accurately ripped
17 [f285a7ca] (32/93) Accurately ripped

Track [ CRC32 ] [W/O NULL] [ LOG ]
-- [57CE15FD] [0D70E973]
01 [73479712] [3C883715] CRC32
02 [5C5495F0] [013D8217] CRC32
03 [2115A8D2] [34DAF50B] CRC32
04 [5629927F] [79D34DE5] CRC32
05 [464277B1] [E2F5BD10] CRC32
06 [CB950083] [515CD7CB] CRC32
07 [7AC22BDD] [A6E69D81] CRC32
08 [7AE2F83B] [4E8EF787] CRC32
09 [334475E0] [33D54AA1] CRC32
10 [F6C4CD99] [47932C5E] CRC32
11 [9908DA20] [0987162A] CRC32
12 [270883D3] [E4592CA9] CRC32
13 [C13A935C] [8C6A78C4] CRC32
14 [E63E2C7A] [7CE85EC6] CRC32
15 [1E3FDCDE] [F233654A] CRC32
16 [0AA20933] [D03517AF] CRC32
17 [A41602DB] [2BF4499A] CRC32


Why is the total match count, e.g. in the 1st log, track 1, (90) so much bigger than the combined offsets count (42)?

In 3 months the total count has risen with 10 matches but the combined offsets count only with 5? (excluding the last track which has risen only with 9 and 4 matches respectively)
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post Dec 30 2009, 02:34
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QUOTE (Akkurat @ Dec 30 2009, 01:41) *
Why is the total match count, e.g. in the 1st log, track 1, (90) so much bigger than the combined offsets count (42)?

In 3 months the total count has risen with 10 matches but the combined offsets count only with 5? (excluding the last track which has risen only with 9 and 4 matches respectively)


1. The other offset pressings exist outside of the offset test range.
2. The other offset pressings track hashes don't match your track hashes.
3. The other offset pressings are for a different audio disc.
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post Dec 30 2009, 14:13
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1. ? huh.gif
2. Shouldn't it then show "No matches"?
3. Isn't it then under another disc ID?
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post Dec 30 2009, 14:22
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A complex example where the total match is correct.

CODE
[Verification date: 29.10.2009 19:52:51]
[Disc ID: 00100207-008afef0-8909190b]
Track [ CRC ] Status
01 [5f88d885] (03/740) Accurately ripped
02 [c5d56e21] (03/741) Accurately ripped
03 [73afdfe6] (03/747) Accurately ripped
04 [56fa464f] (03/745) Accurately ripped
05 [babd51ea] (03/738) Accurately ripped
06 [1c8af32d] (03/740) Accurately ripped
07 [27466fac] (03/737) Accurately ripped
08 [900bc247] (03/733) Accurately ripped
09 [f9b2ae15] (03/732) Accurately ripped
10 [98eddbc4] (03/731) Accurately ripped
11 [d1385ac9] (03/718) Accurately ripped
Offsetted by 30:
01 [70fb41dc] (03/740) Accurately ripped
02 [4e6124f2] (03/741) Accurately ripped
03 [3ac3d5fc] (03/747) Accurately ripped
04 [dd309ae4] (03/745) Accurately ripped
05 [38114d06] (03/738) Accurately ripped
06 [0543da1f] (03/740) Accurately ripped
07 [2a05ba0a] (03/737) Accurately ripped
08 [22616f76] (03/733) Accurately ripped
09 [142b5e13] (03/732) Accurately ripped
10 [313a5807] (03/731) Accurately ripped
11 [0bf49b48] (03/718) Accurately ripped
Offsetted by 622:
01 [6b36dbb6] (02/740) Accurately ripped
02 [0f0c00f2] (02/741) Accurately ripped
03 [6988e8a3] (02/747) Accurately ripped
04 [4df0f427] (02/745) Accurately ripped
05 [0bd9a823] (02/738) Accurately ripped
06 [e06944e5] (02/740) Accurately ripped
07 [c4ab120b] (02/737) Accurately ripped
08 [13e4bc70] (02/733) Accurately ripped
09 [ffa641f3] (02/732) Accurately ripped
10 [80dbf860] (02/731) Accurately ripped
11 [a36b92c6] (02/718) Accurately ripped
Offsetted by 628:
01 [086f0ab6] (02/740) Accurately ripped
02 [66965c17] (02/741) Accurately ripped
03 [20426feb] (02/747) Accurately ripped
04 [9e0f6744] (02/745) Accurately ripped
05 [21ae4ae3] (02/738) Accurately ripped
06 [529cc9ed] (02/740) Accurately ripped
07 [cf7dff20] (02/737) Accurately ripped
08 [d10981b3] (02/733) Accurately ripped
09 [153ec813] (02/732) Accurately ripped
10 [472e3169] (02/731) Accurately ripped
11 [02411d53] (02/718) Accurately ripped
Offsetted by 694:
01 [f26841c4] (200/740) Accurately ripped
02 [94bebffc] (200/741) Accurately ripped
03 [96b039e6] (200/747) Accurately ripped
04 [3ce7d0f1] (200/745) Accurately ripped
05 [bce10561] (200/738) Accurately ripped
06 [da4e1d83] (200/740) Accurately ripped
07 [4ef88a40] (200/737) Accurately ripped
08 [b1883bb3] (200/733) Accurately ripped
09 [19e5688a] (200/732) Accurately ripped
10 [6c434a2b] (200/731) Accurately ripped
11 [f9845308] (200/718) Accurately ripped
Offsetted by 1353:
01 [8e5b287a] (145/740) Accurately ripped
02 [15298ee9] (144/741) Accurately ripped
03 [cbe15d35] (147/747) Accurately ripped
04 [11827655] (148/745) Accurately ripped
05 [c5a3d0a1] (144/738) Accurately ripped
06 [1452bf75] (146/740) Accurately ripped
07 [72791bfb] (148/737) Accurately ripped
08 [6492a883] (145/733) Accurately ripped
09 [0efb50f0] (144/732) Accurately ripped
10 [21a7f8ee] (144/731) Accurately ripped
11 [4394e345] (139/718) Accurately ripped
Offsetted by 1356:
01 [53c2c8e2] (151/740) Accurately ripped
02 [ecacd5c7] (152/741) Accurately ripped
03 [d3286674] (152/747) Accurately ripped
04 [a7e407b0] (151/745) Accurately ripped
05 [35a6bdab] (152/738) Accurately ripped
06 [4a48ec2b] (152/740) Accurately ripped
07 [8397a298] (149/737) Accurately ripped
08 [fc4240c6] (148/733) Accurately ripped
09 [2e4aa011] (148/732) Accurately ripped
10 [e70ce44f] (146/731) Accurately ripped
11 [4fc80ffa] (145/718) Accurately ripped
Offsetted by 1358:
01 [606aae42] (21/740) Accurately ripped
02 [369fd052] (21/741) Accurately ripped
03 [af526da1] (20/747) Accurately ripped
04 [673f8009] (20/745) Accurately ripped
05 [ae7d9a1a] (20/738) Accurately ripped
06 [1a3c1bef] (20/740) Accurately ripped
07 [c44793f9] (19/737) Accurately ripped
08 [9cfdd8ea] (20/733) Accurately ripped
09 [07bb5eaf] (20/732) Accurately ripped
10 [16176f52] (20/731) Accurately ripped
11 [3720f3d9] (19/718) Accurately ripped
Offsetted by 1944:
01 [0bc58a19] (02/740) Accurately ripped
02 [a9fd4119] (02/741) Accurately ripped
03 [9ef6684a] (02/747) Accurately ripped
04 [fc2e2126] (02/745) Accurately ripped
05 [7d49c24d] (02/738) Accurately ripped
06 [f51eef5d] (02/740) Accurately ripped
07 [519de296] (02/737) Accurately ripped
08 [f8868317] (02/733) Accurately ripped
09 [7d460025] (02/732) Accurately ripped
10 [99066781] (02/731) Accurately ripped
11 [05887f62] (02/718) Accurately ripped
Offsetted by 1949:
01 [6c78c186] (03/740) Accurately ripped
02 [51289699] (03/741) Accurately ripped
03 [663d03d1] (03/747) Accurately ripped
04 [589debf8] (03/745) Accurately ripped
05 [3fe1e9e3] (03/738) Accurately ripped
06 [fab39a0a] (03/740) Accurately ripped
07 [32918c0f] (03/737) Accurately ripped
08 [fa88c52a] (03/733) Accurately ripped
09 [cc206ba6] (03/732) Accurately ripped
10 [667685b0] (03/731) Accurately ripped
11 [5edcf40b] (02/718) Accurately ripped
Offsetted by 1996:
01 [a6208f60] (02/740) Accurately ripped
02 [de66cca2] (02/741) Accurately ripped
03 [90748a9f] (02/747) Accurately ripped
04 [6c550f92] (02/745) Accurately ripped
05 [c61c4e1b] (02/738) Accurately ripped
06 [389a53ff] (02/740) Accurately ripped
07 [8e754023] (02/737) Accurately ripped
08 [a1d47cf4] (02/733) Accurately ripped
09 [a94b62d1] (02/732) Accurately ripped
10 [6b5929d5] (02/731) Accurately ripped
11 [c8180102] (02/718) Accurately ripped
Offsetted by 2002:
01 [e38cc618] (93/740) Accurately ripped
02 [221bff20] (94/741) Accurately ripped
03 [62b13afe] (96/747) Accurately ripped
04 [b4f617b0] (95/745) Accurately ripped
05 [f293db25] (94/738) Accurately ripped
06 [b703108d] (93/740) Accurately ripped
07 [c8fb6b4a] (94/737) Accurately ripped
08 [727f72fc] (94/733) Accurately ripped
09 [197a0836] (95/732) Accurately ripped
10 [9b9a733e] (95/731) Accurately ripped
11 [f44ab69b] (90/718) Accurately ripped
Offsetted by 2012:
01 [df5967e8] (109/740) Accurately ripped
02 [57a1d0d1] (111/741) Accurately ripped
03 [65e7b023] (111/747) Accurately ripped
04 [c49dd977] (112/745) Accurately ripped
05 [37604daa] (109/738) Accurately ripped
06 [6c23e147] (110/740) Accurately ripped
07 [8d21ccd6] (108/737) Accurately ripped
08 [f11fb461] (109/733) Accurately ripped
09 [d04d5505] (108/732) Accurately ripped
10 [f287b1df] (109/731) Accurately ripped
11 [ec29554b] (101/718) Accurately ripped
Offsetted by 710:
01 [d431646c] (00/740) No matches
02 [2788d500] (00/741) No matches
03 [89781276] (02/747) Accurately ripped
04 [e7af57a3] (00/745) No matches
05 [e2d0025e] (00/738) No matches
06 [564517ab] (00/740) No matches
07 [43b5b79b] (00/737) No matches
08 [d30788d1] (00/733) No matches
09 [f9ea2981] (00/732) No matches
10 [0a9fea1d] (00/731) No matches
11 [b99e18b3] (00/718) No matches
Offsetted by 1348:
01 [fc486002] (02/740) Accurately ripped
02 [e36964a6] (02/741) Accurately ripped
03 [cc79ee80] (02/747) Accurately ripped
04 [91f05284] (02/745) Accurately ripped
05 [4d9bf76b] (02/738) Accurately ripped
06 [26d8467f] (02/740) Accurately ripped
07 [451a36cd] (02/737) Accurately ripped
08 [2f092902] (00/733) No matches
09 [eda6e0bf] (00/732) No matches
10 [cd2b3fcf] (00/731) No matches
11 [43a30155] (02/718) Accurately ripped
Offsetted by 1870:
01 [6c594d3b] (02/740) Accurately ripped
02 [98ca20de] (02/741) Partial match
03 [4769f30a] (02/747) Partial match
04 [4c904de7] (02/745) Partial match
05 [b2835604] (02/738) Partial match
06 [06771e0d] (02/740) Partial match
07 [bceb249f] (02/737) Partial match
08 [356a1bfd] (02/733) Partial match
09 [3b2b7f3a] (02/732) Partial match
10 [2f578396] (02/731) Partial match
11 [07864794] (02/718) Partial match

Track [ CRC32 ] [W/O NULL] [ LOG ]
-- [715CAEAD] [72D4AD17]
01 [423D5EF8] [9BBED9DB] CRC32
02 [77654FFF] [450426CB] CRC32
03 [9A1F94F7] [04D3B33C] CRC32
04 [59ABD892] [A5DDBBA7] CRC32
05 [ACE4836E] [B51C6772] CRC32
06 [F40608A9] [66ED893E] CRC32
07 [D1F8F2C0] [07DC1DC5] CRC32
08 [A533FA1E] [751AE05A] CRC32
09 [860C49ED] [5FA9E3D4] CRC32
10 [0393FB58] [1CA25F70] CRC32
11 [00553D60] [848BD6A1] CRC32

The combined count for track 1 is the same as the total, 740.
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post Dec 30 2009, 15:36
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QUOTE (Akkurat @ Dec 30 2009, 14:13) *
1. ? huh.gif
2. Shouldn't it then show "No matches"?
3. Isn't it then under another disc ID?


There are 5 elements (different offsets) in the Accuraterip record for that disc
Element 1, Track 1 has 45 matching for hash 161d41cf
Element 2, Track 1 has 33 matching for hash c336ac1e
Element 3, Track 1 has 14 matching for hash 84377365
Element 4, Track 1 has 8 matching for hash 46105b32
Element 5, Track 1 has 0 matching

From what you posted you match #2 and #3.

I assume the tool you are using is Cuetools?

1. I don't know what offset range Cuetools uses however if the offset for a record element can not be determined then the files can't be checked against that part of the data.
2. I don't know, ask the Cuetools developer.
3. It is possible that 2 or more discs (different artists and albums) can have the same disc ID.

The complex example has 18 record elements. If I counted correctly only 16 are listed. There are a number of reasons why this may be displayed as it is. I would need the files to determine exactly why.

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post Dec 30 2009, 15:51
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Using CUETools yes. Where do you get your results?

Anyways, I thought that there would be an easy answer, this is far too complicated and odd* for my poor brain (and unfortunately I don't have time nor interest to start studying this thoroughly).

* especially the "It is possible that 2 or more discs (different artists and albums) can have the same disc ID" part.

The complex example is from Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand (2004) album.. in case you got it and want to check that also.
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It's also possible (probably more likely) for there to be different PCM data for a different pressing of the same title with the exact same TOC, rather than an entirely different title with the exact same TOC. Could be a disc ID collision as well, though I don't know how likely it is for there to be disc ID collisions with AR (different layouts returning identical IDs).

Different PCM data could be do to a change in volume or some other kind of editing. It could even be from copies created using burrrn where RG was applied which were subsequently ripped with submissions going to the AR database (just an example).

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post Dec 31 2009, 15:53
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Ok, thanks for the answers. More mystery to AR. Maybe it's one of the things you have mentioned, was just odd that ~50% of matches were not listed. Initially I thought that there might be something wrong with AR DB or CUETools regarding that total count oddness.
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It's not odd at all, especially not for popular releases or ones that have been out for a while.

I believe the bulk of the reason is #1 in post #2, FWIW.

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Ok, do you think that the following example too fall on that "offset pressings exist outside of the offset test range" reason too?

Just 1st track, other tracks with 14-16 matches (that can't be verified too):
CODE
Track  1

     Various - Austin Powers (OST) - 01 - The Magic Piper (Of Love) [Edwyn Collins].flac

     Peak level 99.8 %
     Copy CRC 8A417A8F
     Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 14)  [49A69F0B], AccurateRip returned [6251A88D]
     Copy OK


CUETools log:
CODE
[Disc ID: 002205c8-01b2cffd-f10d7a11]
Track [ CRC ] Status
01 [49a69f0b] (00/31) No matches
02 [53298dcd] (00/32) No matches
03 [e6993d2b] (00/32) No matches
04 [10534e40] (00/31) No matches
05 [1458a289] (00/32) No matches
06 [d3517978] (00/32) No matches
07 [8ccbd6a4] (00/32) No matches
08 [6ab36e8e] (00/33) No matches
09 [aa656e8a] (00/34) No matches
10 [c6db7642] (00/33) No matches
11 [972d4ece] (00/32) No matches
12 [0897dc11] (00/32) No matches
13 [169ed3b5] (00/33) No matches
14 [4d5e88c7] (00/32) No matches
15 [b2f3d22c] (00/32) No matches
16 [fb0e8a8a] (00/32) No matches
17 [9da6fa2e] (00/30) No matches
Offsetted by 259:
01 [8d45c8cf] (07/31) Accurately ripped
02 [7792a015] (07/32) Accurately ripped
03 [0c249e17] (07/32) Accurately ripped
04 [c466be04] (07/31) Accurately ripped
05 [8501c6f3] (07/32) Accurately ripped
06 [57f8c17b] (07/32) Accurately ripped
07 [1ed5a1fa] (07/32) Accurately ripped
08 [fd9f995b] (07/33) Accurately ripped
09 [786e71f1] (07/34) Accurately ripped
10 [183130a6] (07/33) Accurately ripped
11 [cd7c6f1b] (06/32) Accurately ripped
12 [b6a5d94d] (06/32) Accurately ripped
13 [17620c6d] (07/33) Accurately ripped
14 [53cc68b0] (07/32) Accurately ripped
15 [d187cb41] (07/32) Accurately ripped
16 [b219666e] (07/32) Accurately ripped
17 [4fd31c1b] (07/30) Accurately ripped

Track [ CRC32 ] [W/O NULL] [ LOG ]
-- [516229E9] [EA29550D]
01 [8A417A8F] [3CC73389] CRC32
02 [76C83C34] [880A5BFC] CRC32
03 [EB9CBF19] [4401D4AE] CRC32
04 [083B9C3B] [E8F3347A] CRC32
05 [00E06EB4] [C34241A9] CRC32
06 [F648BA60] [5EBB9B83] CRC32
07 [F0FB4D47] [EBABE622] CRC32
08 [79B89256] [2296146F] CRC32
09 [C52AB8A5] [E2F1CA76] CRC32
10 [8DDA4A24] [BC559BE1] CRC32
11 [C5F11D31] [056E8347] CRC32
12 [33AFCB40] [412C2682] CRC32
13 [0342D326] [2E9F0BF8] CRC32
14 [35A041B4] [EBF31511] CRC32
15 [90932B20] [B6DE5CCF] CRC32
16 [EC5B9A7E] [B058F567] CRC32
17 [4B995D3A] [A0E16F16] CRC32


EAC sees a record of 14-16 matches (that don't match), why isn't that in CUETools log? Also there seems to be missing 1+ records where the rest of the matches are.

Maybe this whole thing is NOT odd to people that fully understand (or had the time and interest to learn) what's going on, the regular end user IMHO is going to be confused and find this whole AR stuff a bit odd and too complicated. And that's the target audience, right? Not the techno savvy users/devs.

Personally I see AR as very useful I thank for making it, but I'm constantly finding odd and confusing things about it. Yeah yeah, just use it and be grateful what you got, right? Well, not quite, if everybody would follow that, there would not be any feedback.. and sometimes (not necessarily this topic) feedback is what makes the app/service progress. Rambling, my 2c's.

Gregory S. Chudov, do you have any insights to this topic? Thanks.
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post Jan 2 2010, 20:11
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Yes, I think the rest of the data is most likely outside of the range that CUETools uses. Going over a previous conversation that was had regarding the subject I found this:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=592152

It seems that your questions/concerns are misdirected at AR when they should really be aimed at CUETools.


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It seems that your questions/concerns are misdirected at AR when they should really be aimed at CUETools.

I realized that too earlier.. hence the pretty direct "why isn't that in CUETools log?" question and a request for Gregory to chime in if he wants to.
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QUOTE (Akkurat @ Dec 30 2009, 15:51) *
Using CUETools yes. Where do you get your results?

Anyways, I thought that there would be an easy answer, this is far too complicated and odd* for my poor brain (and unfortunately I don't have time nor interest to start studying this thoroughly).

* especially the "It is possible that 2 or more discs (different artists and albums) can have the same disc ID" part.

The complex example is from Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand (2004) album.. in case you got it and want to check that also.



I checked my rip of Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand and the first one you posted (Soundgarden A sides).
The Franz Ferdinand record has a number of low rip count entities that among other anomalies, probably exist as some were made from "User" created versions of this disc.
I got the same results as you with the Soundgarden disc. I ran the tracks up to an offset range of +/- 72,000 samples with no match for any of the offsets in record element 1 or 4.
Same disc ID for 2 different (artist/album) discs is possible however rare so
"2. The other offset pressings track hashes don't match your track hashes."
is most likely.

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Thanks alondon for testing and reporting back. smile.gif
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Most questions have been already answered, so i can only add two things: offset range for cuetools is +/- 5 frames, i.e. 5*588-1=2939 samples. One of the reasons for this is that this is exactly how many samples are skipped by AccurateRip in the start/end of the CD, so when the first track doesn't begin with silence, CRCs won't match a pressing with offset larger than that. If you want to check a wider range anyway, you can try entering offset 5878, so cuetools will check range from 5878-2939(=2939) to 5878+2939(=8817), or -5878 to check range -8817..-2939.


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Thanks Gregory for participating. I'm not very good with the technicalities of this thing but it seems that widening the offset range would not make a difference.
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