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MPC vs VORBIS vs MP3 vs AAC at 180 kbps, 2nd checkup with classical music
Yaztromo
post Sep 5 2005, 10:02
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I will test with beta4 in the next couple of days.
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post Sep 8 2005, 09:52
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the first click in castanets2, no comment!

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post Sep 8 2005, 14:04
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QUOTE (alter4 @ Sep 8 2005, 05:52 PM)
the first click in castanets2, no comment!


Generally it is not so meaningful to take up the graph of a specific portion.
It may become the origin which causes misapprehension.
Here is an interesting example.

1.1.1 has for me pre-echo irritated rather than beta4.
Graph does not irritate me. wink.gif
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post Sep 8 2005, 15:23
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My friends (I ask theirs to help) say that in castanets2 aotuv beta4 is better (aotuv have less pre-echo)
but for me pre-echo is more audible in beta4, my friend say that I have anomalous
ear constitution smile.gif . In all cases, Aoyumi thank for great job!!!

P.S. Waiting for Yaztromo tests.

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Aoyumi
post Sep 11 2005, 07:45
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>alter4
Can the portion which you ABX(ed) be shown?  Or how is it in another portion?
Such information becomes reference of tuning although I cannot promise an improvement. smile.gif
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post Sep 15 2005, 22:35
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I know I'm late. Very late even. But I don't care - Guruboolez man, what a test! smile.gif and what a result regarding Vorbis (and LAME) smile.gif


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post Sep 16 2005, 19:35
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Very impressive...I wish I had sometimes this kind of determination to finish some of my projects...

BTW, I wonder...
This test was made on classical music. And AFAI remember, classical, at least for mp3, was the easiest scenario. Is it true? If yes than is it possible that in case of other formats thisis also the case?

And a question totally againt HA rules (so answer in spirit of "possible", "not sure", etc. would be OK...): perhaps MPC still is on top when it comes to more demading music, industrial for example and such...


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post Sep 16 2005, 21:02
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QUOTE (liekloo @ Sep 15 2005, 06:35 PM)
I know I'm late. Very late even. But I don't care - Guruboolez man, what a test! smile.gif and what a result regarding Vorbis (and LAME) smile.gif
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Me too. I was trying to digest all the impressive amount of information laugh.gif
Thanks a million for the professionalism and dense information. Kudos to you!!


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post Sep 17 2005, 14:39
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Guruboolez
Great test! smile.gif Thanks. Surely I'll take its results in mind. But for me Musepack is enough. I don't think that I'll get much changing from MPC --standard to Lancer beta 4 at corresponding bitrate...
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post Sep 22 2005, 21:09
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Wow! Vorbis bested that MPC on 180kbps?! It's good news!


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post Sep 22 2005, 22:40
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Thanks for the testing.

I can't help but think how the iTunes mpeg-4 AAC 160kbps VBR format tests up against these other encoders. Maybe someone will do a test using iTunes 5 and QuickTime 7. Just curious, why couldn't a 160kbps mpeg-4 AAC file be compared to others? I know the bitrate is lower than the others but does this cause a flaw in the tests?
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post Sep 23 2005, 08:42
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QUOTE (kornchild2002 @ Sep 22 2005, 11:40 PM)
Thanks for the testing.

I can't help but think how the iTunes mpeg-4 AAC 160kbps VBR format tests up against these other encoders.  Maybe someone will do a test using iTunes 5 and QuickTime 7.  Just curious, why couldn't a 160kbps mpeg-4 AAC file be compared to others?  I know the bitrate is lower than the others but does this cause a flaw in the tests?
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It makes the test more difficult to interpretate. If the codec tested at 160 kbps does worse than the others at higher bit rates (there is a reasonable chance this would happen), then one could always bring up the argument "but it used a lower bit rate", rendering the results meaningless. On the other hand, if the codec tested at 160 kpbs would do equal or better than the ones tested at higher bit rates, logic suggests that it would also do equal or better when tested at that same higher bit rate. So there is no reason to use 160 kbps.

Taking in account the amount of time such a test takes, and the large risk of getting an unuseable result, it would be better to test all codecs at the same bit rate.


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post Sep 23 2005, 11:37
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I was just wondering if upping lame 3.97 to preset extreme or preset fast extreme will give enough of an improvement to beat mpc and vorbis at their current settings in this test with all test samples. pls comment on this
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post Sep 23 2005, 12:23
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probably yes. but that's an assumption.


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post Oct 28 2005, 05:47
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Does anybody with good headphones want to abx-test ogg/mpc/mp3 on rock/metal material. I think power-metal(like Rhapsody), sympho-metal(Dimmu Borgir-Perfection or Vanity) materials aren't easycompress.
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post Oct 28 2005, 08:18
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QUOTE (SCIF @ Oct 27 2005, 08:47 PM)
Does anybody with good headphones want to abx-test ogg/mpc/mp3 on rock/metal material. I think power-metal(like Rhapsody), sympho-metal(Dimmu Borgir-Perfection or Vanity) materials aren't easycompress.
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I bet Guru will not test it. His ears will not bear such genre biggrin.gif
Anyway I would like to see such test. There is more metal than classics in my audio collection.

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post Oct 31 2005, 22:39
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I just came across this thread today. Thanks to Guru for his dedicated testing and to Aoyumi for his improvments to vorbis!
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post Nov 2 2005, 06:31
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QUOTE (de Mon @ Oct 28 2005, 05:18 PM)
I bet Guru will not test it. His ears will not bear such genre  biggrin.gif
Yes. He told me so. sad.gif
QUOTE (de Mon @ Oct 28 2005, 05:18 PM)
Anyway I would like to see such test. There is more metal than classics in my audio collection.

I'm not alone $)
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post Jan 6 2006, 21:37
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Thanks for this interesting and informative post. It was very helpful to me smile.gif


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post Jan 9 2006, 12:13
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Re-opening so discussion can continue.
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post Jan 9 2006, 23:38
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I saw this thread was locked yesterday with no explanation why...was wondering if it was an MPC zealot who managed to gain mod control. wink.gif
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post Jan 9 2006, 23:49
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QUOTE (vinnie97 @ Jan 9 2006, 02:38 PM)
I saw this thread was locked yesterday with no explanation why...was wondering if it was an MPC zealot who managed to gain mod control. wink.gif
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Don't worry, it was opened again because there weren't enough useless replies already. Thanks for your contribution, by the way.
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post Jan 10 2006, 00:30
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No need to be testy. I didn't see that *other* thread until after responding to this one.

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