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post Apr 15 2014, 23:57
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QUOTE (eahm @ Apr 15 2014, 09:08) *
Even though I have iOS and I want to pledge for iOS and Android I don't think an iOS version would be of much use for me. Apple doesn't allow to fully integrate anything 3rd party so, Android would be the exciting one IMO.


Not necessarily. Although the app could never fully integrate with iOS on the same level as Android, it could still be very beneficial compared to the built-in Music app. Developers have access to the full hardware of iOS devices and they can even tap into services such as AirPlay. Syncing may not be as brain dead as plugging the iPhone into a computer and copying stuff over with iTunes. However, other apps and music services have figured out ways around this. The focus on cloud syncing with foobar would even further this cause, it's something that Apple started to implement with iTunes Match. "Syncing" through iTunes could still be possible. Granted, the foobar app couldn't have access to built-in storage on an OS level (like with Android) but I don't think that's reason enough to negate an OS ecosystem that represented 43.9% of all smartphones in the U.S. in December 2013 and represents the best selling smartphone from a single company.

Whether or not the developers behind foobar will tap into these extra resources, such as AirPlay, remains to be seen. I'm also not sure how efficient the app will be in the end. Currently the iPhone 5, 5S, and 5C are rated for 40 hours of music playback with the built-in Music app. Aside from the added Apple features (hint: AirPlay), I wonder if the foobar app would maintain this level of efficiency when playing back content that isn't insane (i.e. 24-bit, 192KHz FLAC files).
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post Apr 16 2014, 00:15
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QUOTE (bwat47 @ Apr 15 2014, 23:14) *
Cloud foobar2000 is the only thing that looked interesting to me, but again its pretty vague. I currently have my entire library on google music, and use the google music app when using my android devices. What incentive would there be for me to switch? it took forever for me to upload all my library to google music, so it would have to have some good incentives!


From my presence here, I would assume that the team that tried to make something that also wasn't very clear in it's intention, and suddenly crippled away, could provide better product.

When I saw the news, I really thought it's some late April fools' post, but I guess I'm wrong, and maybe wrong again in my whole conclusion.

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post Apr 16 2014, 02:03
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Will the foobar sub-forum here move to the "professional" page/forum of foobar then?
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post Apr 16 2014, 03:09
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QUOTE (Soap @ Apr 15 2014, 10:05) *
QUOTE (mudlord @ Apr 15 2014, 02:53) *
How is asking for a report on where the money will go strange?


What's strange is asking it of who you acquire your software from but not who you acquire your food from.


Because I just think that way. If that makes me a fucking hypocrite, that makes me a fucking hypocrite.
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post Apr 16 2014, 04:37
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I'll support this project because I want to see Peter make some money from his work, just as I've supported spoon for his work over the years. I've used fb2k from the beginning, and would have paid for it gladly. I pay for JRiver Media Center, but despite its excellent audio capabilities I still use fb2k for music.

However, this new product is not for me. I don't live on mobile devices. I can't imagine managing my music library anywhere but on my desktop machine. I have an iPhone 5S, but I've never bought music or movies from the iTunes Store. I already own a couple of very capable $5 apps that play my FLAC and AAC files (one of them plays my MKV movies, too; the other one has a very nice equalizer).

I can't imagine what a mobile version of fb2k would do for me that these inexpensive apps don't. For portable music, I use a Fiio X3 that includes a very nice DAC and amp with high-quality headphone and line-out jacks, which holds 64GB of standard and hi-res FLAC files. Unless I got a job where I was traveling a lot, I don't know what I'd do with a tablet, or even a Chromebook.

I hope you guys will be working with some very young, creative mobile-centric designers who will make a music player that is as unique in the new mobile world as fb2k was compared to contemporaries like WinAmp. Best of luck to you, but I'll be watching from the sidelines at my desktop.
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post Apr 16 2014, 04:40
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QUOTE (Robertina @ Apr 15 2014, 11:48) *
QUOTE (Robertina @ Apr 15 2014, 06:30) *
Appendix: it is the https-prefix that triggers that warning.

To protect against possible Heartbleed attacks Akamai updates their server certificates.

Maybe this is the background for the warnings.

Actually, I thought the correct way to get https on reddit was to use the "pay" subdomain, as the main domain redirects to random Akamai servers, and it looks as if Reddit's certificate is designed to verify that the IP address it is served from reverse resolves back to the same domain it is assigned to. Which Akamai's hosts do not.
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post Apr 16 2014, 09:40
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So with regard to certificates, Reddit and Akamai would have to coordinate their server configurations with each other (probably I didn't get it)?

No-one other than me complained, whereas I get that mismatch-warning (certificate's name ≠ server's name) each time for any https+reddit:
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Robertina
post Apr 16 2014, 09:43
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I came across this article.

It is an interview in German with an entrepreneur who gives firms advice on mobile services, mobile gaming, entertainment etc.

He talks about the difficulties, today's app programmers are confronted with.

He mentions average costs for the development of applications for the iOS or Android store, how often an app must be downloaded to reach the break-even and what ASO means (App Store Optimization).

I do not understand every word, but my respect for the foobar2000 mobile project and its developers grows further; I become aware that I have a lot of aspects not taken into account till now when thinking about this topic.
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post Apr 16 2014, 10:52
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QUOTE (romor @ Apr 16 2014, 00:15) *
From my presence here, I would assume that the team that tried to make something that also wasn't very clear in it's intention, and suddenly crippled away, could provide better product.

When I saw the news, I really thought it's some late April fools' post, but I guess I'm wrong, and maybe wrong again in my whole conclusion.


It was a commercial decision to suspend Audiosafe, as it was not commercially viable to run. The system never left beta testing. It is our right to not release something which we think will not succeed over the long term. In business 4 in 5 companies fail, perhaps these 4 out of 5 fail because they pursue something unsustainable.

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post Apr 16 2014, 12:01
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Response to the op;

Was there a long thread full of discussion on what mobile people would actually want somewhere?

(Social listening? Personally I really don't care what kind of "music" my friends are listening and if I want to listen to 'Pet shop boys' that day, i'd prefer to hide that from the world.)

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post Apr 16 2014, 17:06
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QUOTE (smok3 @ Apr 16 2014, 12:01) *
Response to the op;

Was there a long thread full of discussion on what mobile people would actually want somewhere?

(Social listening? Personally I really don't care what kind of "music" my friends are listening and if I want to listen to 'Pet shop boys' that day, i'd prefer to hide that from the world.)

That is also a good point. With so much love for fb2k, one would think that some discussion was opened previous to the campaign, but as far as i see, it does not exists.


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post Apr 16 2014, 22:27
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QUOTE (smok3 @ Apr 16 2014, 01:01) *
Response to the op;

Was there a long thread full of discussion on what mobile people would actually want somewhere?

(Social listening? Personally I really don't care what kind of "music" my friends are listening and if I want to listen to 'Pet shop boys' that day, i'd prefer to hide that from the world.)

After Peter's info that a foobar2000 mobile version is planned, after the kickstarter campaign's launch and after some guarded comments concerning this matter, I wondered for a while to what extent a discussion before would have changed the campaign's face. I came to the conclusion that probably the fb2k mobile web site would have been different, having a more convincing visual appearance, as well as the kickstarter web site. But apart from a few corrections there wouldn't have been revisions to the text, since its key statements would have remained the same:
  • Please pledge to make possible a foobar2000 mobile for iOS
  • Please pledge to make possible a foobar2000 mobile for Android
  • Please pledge to make possible a foobar2000 mobile for Windows Phone
  • Please support us financially to create an alien cat universe, including
  • Cloud foobar2000 and
  • Social foobar2000
With regard to foobar2000 for mobile platforms: I think everyone applauds these goals, this project's part gets even support by users which either have no smartphone or which wouldn't find use for a fb2k mobile on it for other reasons (read for example what jkauff wrote).

With respect to the cloud and social features: nobody would be forced to use these options. Actually, cloud services and social networks are dominated by American companies. Some people say these firms are the worst in terms of data protection. If so, could we have anything better than a counterpart to these rotten structures, led by Peter? I for one am utterly convinced by his trustworthiness.

Everyone has his own way of behaviour, Peter's style is doing things silently. I remember when foobar2000 v1.0 was released: There was no advance notice; there was no hint before, no discussion, nothing - foobar2000 1.0 was just out of the blue there. And it was magnificent; and we were thrilled.

Finally I would like to mention that only a few members contribute regularly to discussions on HA. So these discussions cannot be understood as being a representative cross-section valid for the entire HA community, let alone for the foobar mobile fundraiser's real target group which isn't the HA community in the first place but every smartphone user worldwide. Doesn't our thread which discusses so lively a man's aberrations who is going to sell devices in posh toblerone design prove of how little relevance our even intense discussions on HA are in real life for success or flop?

IMHO a person as described by me above should still have top priority for the project.

Right now the fb2k mobile project has roughly 160 backers. It would be this person's solely job to multiply this number within the given time.

@ Neil Yohng, if you are reading this: Please PLEDGE.
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post Apr 17 2014, 05:12
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QUOTE (Robertina @ Apr 16 2014, 01:40) *
So with regard to certificates, Reddit and Akamai would have to coordinate their server configurations with each other (probably I didn't get it)?

No-one other than me complained, whereas I get that mismatch-warning (certificate's name ≠ server's name) each time for any https+reddit:
  1. Warning
  2. Security
  3. Details

I receive a similar warning, unless I use https://pay.reddit.com/ for all https links.
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post Apr 18 2014, 04:12
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I wonder about the usefulness of a portable foobar, not because I'm against the idea, but because the great functionality we enjoy in the windows version simply isn't possible with iOS or windows phone. In android, yes, but then most of what foobar does already exists in the android OS itself using free apps. Although Microsoft has promised great things with wp 8.1 so I guess we'll see.

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post Apr 18 2014, 07:27
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QUOTE (kode54 @ Apr 16 2014, 17:12) *
I receive a similar warning, unless I use https://pay.reddit.com/ for all https links.

Thank you.
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post Apr 18 2014, 17:31
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One backer more and the first 5000 EURO will have been pledged. smile.gif

Please keep on supporting this project.
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post Apr 18 2014, 20:03
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@Mach-X

Why shouldn't it be possible in windows phone 8.1 or WinRT what could be done in android? Apart from that i think nobody expects the full capatibilities of the desktop version but a mobile app that offers high-quality playback (replaygain, gapless playback, Flac, etc.) and on the other side features that in turn doesn't make sense in desktop version.


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post Apr 18 2014, 21:19
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Xbox Music is to Windows Phone/RT what iPod is to iOS. You don't get to mess with Windows Phone's internals like you do with Android.
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post Apr 18 2014, 21:33
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Been a while since my last post in these forums, but I had to come back to say how thrilled I am of this happening. Really want to contribute but for some dubious reason I can't link my debit card to PayPal ATM... Great project and great discussion here, will be following it closely.


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post Apr 18 2014, 21:35
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Few limitations exist in windows phone that prevents regular hobby developers from creating good apps or even that scares developers who develop for other platforms.
File system limitations, file sharing limitations, multitasking limitations.
limiting third party apps from accessing media files that the inbuilt Xbox player is associated with.

Media files should be present in the isolated storage of the app for the app to have write access to the file. Like the ability to update tags of a media file.

Windows phone 8.1 has the ability to move apps and its associated data to be moved into SD card.
Need to investigate if apps can have update permissions to files already present in the SD card.

I hope you realise now why Windows phone users are more excited for a foobar port than android users.

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post Apr 19 2014, 03:29
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OK, I put in $50 today.

Neil Young didn't get anything, BTW.
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post Apr 20 2014, 05:20
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Does anyone know what the new Pope preached in his first Easter mass?

EDIT: Solved, I found the answer.
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post Apr 20 2014, 05:26
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QUOTE (Robertina @ Apr 19 2014, 22:20) *
Does anyone know what the new Pope preached in his first Easter mass?

Good thing, too. It's going to take some divine intervention to push this campaign anywhere near $100k.
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post Apr 20 2014, 05:33
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Actually, the project has 201 backers / 5,700 EURO.

50 days left.

I find this very encouraging. smile.gif
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post Apr 20 2014, 11:43
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$100000 / 60 days = $1667/day on average

at 10 days into the campaign, the funds should be at $16667. they are currently at $8120, less than half of where they need to be.

I fear that $100k is too ambitious for the initial goal. perhaps 20k to 30k would have worked, with 100k being a stretch goal.
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