Lyrics Grabber Feedback & Discussion

Why not use a tagging component ? Well, because it's impossible when you have separate lyrics files instead of embedded lyrics : how would you know exactly which of all my 25.000 music files have separate lyrics files if you don't set up previously a tag that says "Yes, this file has a separate lyrics file" ?

I am a little bit confused - if your tracks already contain lyrics as textfiles you must download them again to get your desired tag. Or are you planning to download all the lyrics for all 25000 tracks with one click?

This option is useless for those like you who have embedded lyrics. But it's very useful (I'd even say mandatory) for those like me who want to have separate lyrics files (until the blessed day when foobar will be able to handle the "Excluded search fields" in its advanced prefs tongue.gif ).

As i said lyricsfiles are a reasonable feature i was thinking about watching them outside of foobar in explorer/editor. Your initial point is a missing feature inside of foobar wich induced you to request a totally other feature in an special component. Your request shows how a fullfilled request (textfiles) causes an avalanche of new feature and option requests although the origin problem could be solved without any user interaction or option.

P.S. : if we want to keep prefs simple, then this option could be automatically enabled when the option "store lyrics in a separate file" is enabled. So in the prefs there would be only a single visible option "store lyrics in a separate file" and we would have this operatory mode :
- Embedded lyrics => lyrics stored in a %lyrics% tag AND NO %found lyrics% tag
- Separate lyrics files => lyrics stored in a separate file AND %found lyrics% tag automatically enabled
Would that be simple enough for you q-stankovic ?

Please don't get me wrong: I understand why you would like to have that feature. I even believe that it can make sense to have opportunity thatt foobar tells us if a track is mapped to a cover picture or lyrics file - that could be done by foobar. But please see that in your suggestion for lyrics_grabber every option of that kind forces new users to bother with its full meaning and that in that sense just 2 or 3 feature/options more of that style will result in breaking the promise to develop a simple and clean component. But finally it is up to T.P. Wang to write what he think is senseful.

By the way: You are an user of DUI? How will you display your lyrics then?

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Reply #89 – 2008-12-13 13:05:15

q-stankovic... I understand you are feeling concerned, but please understand one thing : what's a bit boring with you is that when you don't understand something, you are always requesting for more and more information and you are making endless posts simply because you don't know about (for example here) the details of my own config. So now I'm being forced to explain them to you, which will take me some time, and that is a bit boring because right now I'm focused on the implementation of that tiny new feature by T.P Wang, and not on going off-topic by explaining publicly the details of my config. I hope you undersand this.

So here are my answers, and I really hope you won't question me again :

I am a little bit confused - if your tracks already contain lyrics as textfiles you must download them again to get your desired tag. Or are you planning to download all the lyrics for all 25000 tracks with one click?

None of my tracks (excepted some test files) have lyrics. I'm waiting for a component like Lyrics Grabber to be "mature enough" in order to start downloading them. And yes, I'm intending do do that in batch-mode if possible (although maybe not for 25.000 tracks at once).

As i said lyricsfiles are a reasonable feature i was thinking about watching them outside of foobar in explorer/editor. Your initial point is a missing feature inside of foobar wich induced you to request a totally other feature in an special component.

In no way I would want to watch separate lyrics files outside foobar ! All separate lyrics files will be accessed within foobar of course. How ? Read on.

I even believe that it can make sense to have opportunity thatt foobar tells us if a track is mapped to a cover picture or lyrics file

We're not talking about mapping here. We're only talking about saving a lyrics file and writing a tag that says "Yes, this track has a separate lyrics file". That's all, period.

Quote from: foorious on 2008-12-13 13:05:15

By the way: You are an user of DUI? How will you display your lyrics then?

I have already said that in this topic. I'm using the excellent Lyric Show Panel (with Dockable Panels) and a keyboard shortcut to make it appear / disappear. It works great with DUI, no problems so far.

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Reply #90 – 2008-12-13 14:22:52

what's a bit boring with you is that when you don't understand something ...

You don't understand something too! F.E: With "As i said lyricsfiles are a reasonable feature i was thinking about watching them outside of foobar in explorer/editor. Your initial point is a missing feature inside of foobar wich induced you to request a totally other feature in an special component."
i just wanted to repeat again that the origin problem should be solved in foobar as the missing exclusion in searches are your initial and only point. With the first part of that quote i wanted to show some good reasons why textfiles can be useful. But if you have as only argument the search behaviour in foobar you indeed can't tell us any good reason to store lyrics inside textfiles instead of filetags. And just because of that search behaviour in foobar you are requesting an huge amount of features for another component: downloading textfiles, an option for storing a tag in files that lyrics are found, an option to define name of that tag and so on...

Quote from: foorious on 2008-12-13 13:05:15

you are always requesting for more and more information and you are making endless posts simply because you don't know about (for example here) the details of my own config.

Hmm, i wasn't really interested in your configuration but in T.P. Wangs promise to develop a simple and clean component. Do you at least see why the requested way of implementing that desired feature could result in lost usabilty and simplicity for newbies - that is exactly the reason for me that i never used T.P. Wangs lyric_show_panel. Are you aware that if lyrics_grabber would have a feature to tag files automatically it then could be added to the list of problematic components like lyric_show_panel.

Based on your request let me ask a question: If you are more interested in the automatically settet tag than in the automatically setted tag would you be satisfied with following:

In the lyrics grabber window where you will have to press a button like "Store as textfile" and beside that button is a checkbox "tag files that lyrics are found" you will have to check - and nothing else: no options in preferences and no possibility to define the name of that tag.
You will have your desired feature and lyrics grabber wouldn't violate good behaviour with tagging files without user interaction.

By the way:
A direct question to Peter or Foosion: Can we expect that foobar somedays is changing its search behaviour in queries in that sense that multiline fields are excluded from simple search?

Edit: I took a look in the list of problematic and maybe an automatically setted tag like you, foorious, suggested wouldn't mean the same what brought lyric_show to the list - but however: it should be available as option in the download window and not anywhere in the preferences enabled by default. Just my decent opinion how a good and usable component should be designed after i have seen so much horrible stuff in the last three or four years as components.

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Reply #91 – 2008-12-13 15:05:52

why don't you PM each other and post the results?

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Reply #92 – 2008-12-13 17:31:07

@2E7AH : maybe because despite a part of off-topic (which I regret) we are still discussing about Lyrics Grabber ?

Your initial point is a missing feature inside of foobar wich induced you to request a totally other feature in an special component."

No : this is not true, because even if the "exclude search fields" feature was added to foobar someday, there would still be people interested in storing lyrics as separate text files, just like there are other people interested in storing artwork as separate picture files. It's their choice and we all need to respect that without asking them for their own personal reasons.
So to sum it up : I would have requested this feature anyway, simply because it becomes very useful as soon as you have lyrics as separate text files.

Do you at least see why the requested way of implementing that desired feature could result in lost usabilty and simplicity for newbies

IMO "newbie" doesn't mean "complete dumb" : a single checkbox like "Store lyrics as separate text files and enable a %lyrics found% tag" in a prefs window (especially if it's unchecked by default) would definitely not make Lyrics Grabber prefs any more complex for newbies. Come on, be realistic.

i never used T.P. Wangs lyric_show_panel

Well, you should. It has really improved over time and it has become a great component thanks to T.P's work.

would you be satisfied with following...

I would be satisfied with anything that allows me to do the 3 things I want in an easy way :
- grab LiricWiki lyrics
- store them as tags or as separate text files
- add a tag (%found lyrics% or any other name) only when lyrics are being found and stored in separate text files
(all these 3 things in batch-mode of course)
So I'm trying to remain focused on the features and not in the way of presenting them. That is T.P's decision after all.

A direct question to Peter or Foosion: Can we expect that foobar somedays is changing its search behaviour in queries in that sense that multiline fields are excluded from simple search?

I second that idea , but it's off-topic here and like I've already said it would really deserve a separate "Feature request" topic to be more "visible". Don't you think so ?

Besides, why only multiline fields ? An excluded search fields list in Advanced Prefs would be so much better !!

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Excluded search fields : LYRICS; UNSYNCED LYRICS; COMMENTS; LOG; (etc.)

Now can we please stick with this topic's subject and go on with Lyrics Grabber discussion ? Thank you.

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Reply #93 – 2008-12-13 23:23:44

T. P Wang

great component thank you!

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Reply #94 – 2008-12-14 15:40:03

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This option is useless for those like you who have embedded lyrics. But it's very useful (I'd even say mandatory) for those like me who want to have separate lyrics files (until the blessed day when foobar will be able to handle the "Excluded search fields" in its advanced prefs ).

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So to sum it up : I would have requested this feature anyway, simply because it becomes very useful as soon as you have lyrics as separate text files.

Let's make it sticky!

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Reply #95 – 2008-12-17 18:54:08

TP thx for creating such an easy plugin. I have one big wish for it. Can you make an option or commandlineswitch for silent tagging?

Search and tag found lyrics without userinterference that is? (like the silent replaygainscan/tag).

I am running it from commandline.

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Reply #96 – 2009-01-19 20:36:09