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PCM 24/96 vs Flac 24/96 vs Wav16/44.1 vs Mp3 320kbps, 2 stunningly well recorded comparison files.
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post Oct 5 2014, 17:16
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2 stunningly well recorded comparison files. What do you think of the ''Blueprint'' claim.


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Free Tracks Format Comparison

Here is a zip file containing samples of 2 tracks in 4 different formats.

A: 96/24 WAV
B: 96/24 FLAC
C: 16/44 WAV (CD)
D: 320kbps MP3

All the different formats have the same source file 96/24 WAV (Studio Master).

We used WAVELAB for the conversion.

When you compare the files start with the lowest resolution: D (MP3 320 kbps) and move on up through example C and B ending with A.

Be careful: If you start with A, and move down through B and C ending with D, your mind will remember the ''Blueprint'' of the higher resolution file, making it difficult to hear the difference even when finally listening to the MP3 file. Don't be frustrated if you can't hear a difference at first. Hearing is as individual as taste but hearing is also something which can be acquired, like the taste of good wine.
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post Oct 5 2014, 17:27
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How does it come that on several places for this label mostly new members inform the world?
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post Oct 5 2014, 17:29
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I do not think anything but a blind comparison counts. And during DBT you can switch between the two tested formats as many times as you need.
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post Oct 5 2014, 18:03
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Download here, need to create free user account though: http://www.soundliaison.com/all-our-produc...wav-flac-cd-mp3


I've heard similar claims, but they all fail to provide any evidence.

Knowing a song inside out allows me to fill in the gaps when listening to the song on a horrible system, or through a horrible format (low bitrate mp3), but I still hear the differences in sound quality.


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post Oct 5 2014, 20:56
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"We used WAVELAB for the conversion" ... well, which version? Wavelab 5's sample rate converters don't look too good on http://src.infinitewave.ca/ and I wouldn't be surprised if the artifacts are sometimes audible. Wavelab 6 should be fine though.
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post Oct 5 2014, 20:59
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I wouldn't trust someone who includes both a FLAC and a WAV file to do the conversion correctly. If you want to compare, grab the FLAC and convert it yourself using a known good resampler.
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post Oct 5 2014, 22:48
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"listen to the files in the order we give you! so you know deep down that it's gonna get better with each file. do you hear all the bettererness growing on you when you press next song?"

it's warning us of a brain trick and want us to solve it with "do you think this is better now that I told you it is?". funny.

this should be given as a psycho test to know how much one can get manipulated. and if it works well, then you go and sell a crap rug for 1500$ to the guy.

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post Nov 28 2014, 10:37
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Lots more potential listening-test material coming from Linn
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post Nov 28 2014, 11:52
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QUOTE (bandpass @ Nov 28 2014, 04:37) *
Lots more potential listening-test material coming from Linn


Just another mailing list building scam.

We aren't that desperate for high sample rate files any more.

And at least some of us should be wise enough to know that it takes more than just a lot of samples to make a exceptionally diagnostic piece of music.
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post Nov 28 2014, 12:24
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QUOTE (bandpass @ Nov 28 2014, 04:37) *
Lots more potential listening-test material coming from Linn
"The 24-bits of Christmas." Very cute.

QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Nov 28 2014, 10:52) *
Just another mailing list building scam.

We aren't that desperate for high sample rate files any more.
Bah Humbug!

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And at least some of us should be wise enough to know that it takes more than just a lot of samples to make a exceptionally diagnostic piece of music.
To be fair, Linn didn't claim these were such.

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post Nov 28 2014, 12:27
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QUOTE (Wombat @ Oct 5 2014, 16:27) *
How does it come that on several places for this label mostly new members inform the world?
Obviously Spam, but rather strange spam that doesn't include the actual link.
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post Nov 28 2014, 13:29
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QUOTE (bandpass @ Nov 28 2014, 10:37) *
Lots more potential listening-test material coming from Linn


For more fun on that one, see the waffling that ensues when I ask a technical question about those recordings.
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post Nov 28 2014, 13:39
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QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Nov 28 2014, 06:24) *
QUOTE (bandpass @ Nov 28 2014, 04:37) *
Lots more potential listening-test material coming from Linn
"The 24-bits of Christmas." Very cute.

QUOTE (Arnold B. Krueger @ Nov 28 2014, 10:52) *
Just another mailing list building scam.

We aren't that desperate for high sample rate files any more.
Bah Humbug!

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And at least some of us should be wise enough to know that it takes more than just a lot of samples to make a exceptionally diagnostic piece of music.
To be fair, Linn didn't claim these were such.



Never said they did, but this guy seems to be headed in that direction:

QUOTE (bandpass @ Nov 28 2014, 04:37) *
Lots more potential listening-test material coming from Linn


Yep it has potential, but only because it exists. But other than the seemingly settled issue of high sample rates, is it any better than any other random collection of tracks? More specifically, there is probably some CD format material that is far more diagnostic for many audible problems.

A number of people who have done a lot of successful listening tests under their beltsw including JJ have pointed out that a lot of highly diagnostic material sounds bad on its own merits as a recording.
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post Nov 28 2014, 15:11
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How can one debate whether this material is better than other material—it's not even up yet!

It's simply a flag to point out the availability of material that might prove useful for some sort of test (or, god forbid, that some might just enjoy listening to!). Of course, if one wants to specifically perform a format comparison test, the provisos about not trusting the supplier's conversions etc. still apply.
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post Nov 28 2014, 15:20
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QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Nov 28 2014, 13:27) *
QUOTE (Wombat @ Oct 5 2014, 16:27) *
How does it come that on several places for this label mostly new members inform the world?
Obviously Spam, but rather strange spam that doesn't include the actual link.

Tactics! If you have to google first you will remind the labels name better smile.gif
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post Nov 28 2014, 15:56
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QUOTE (Wombat @ Nov 28 2014, 14:20) *
QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Nov 28 2014, 13:27) *
QUOTE (Wombat @ Oct 5 2014, 16:27) *
How does it come that on several places for this label mostly new members inform the world?
Obviously Spam, but rather strange spam that doesn't include the actual link.

Tactics! If you have to google first you will remind the labels name better smile.gif

I thought that was a possibility, but it failed on me. Until xnor posted the link I couldn't be bothered to figure out what to Google.
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post Nov 28 2014, 16:00
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QUOTE (bandpass @ Nov 28 2014, 15:11) *
How can one debate whether this material is better than other material—it's not even up yet!


They do have a teaser track available.

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post Nov 28 2014, 16:14
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QUOTE (julf @ Nov 28 2014, 12:29) *
QUOTE (bandpass @ Nov 28 2014, 10:37) *
Lots more potential listening-test material coming from Linn


For more fun on that one, see the waffling that ensues when I ask a technical question about those recordings.

I replied there, but it awaits moderation. Check out the free downloads from 2L - I think you'll find the same strange hard LPF in the spectrum of some of the 96kHz downconversions.

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QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Nov 28 2014, 16:14) *
I replied there, but it awaits moderation. Check out the free downloads from 2L - I think you'll find the same strange hard LPF in the spectrum of some of the 96kHz downconversions.


Hmm. Wonder if 2L uses the same software?
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post Nov 28 2014, 16:40
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I guess using sox default would look similar. Ringing up that high won't be a problem and DACs should have a softer own filter charachter so it doesn't matter. Remember Weiss cutted softer when converting from dsd and was bashed to kill the sound with taking away audio information by several audiophiles.
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post Nov 28 2014, 16:48
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QUOTE (julf @ Nov 28 2014, 18:00) *
They do have a teaser track available.

Is it possible to download it without registering?

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post Nov 29 2014, 10:00
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QUOTE (lvqcl @ Nov 28 2014, 16:48) *
Is it possible to download it without registering?


Don't think so - what was that saying again, "if you are not paying, you are the product".
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post Nov 29 2014, 18:18
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This thread is the only contribution the OP has made to the forum.


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post Dec 1 2014, 19:10
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On the first day of Christmas Linn gave to me...

A 24-bit 48kHz "studio master" file.

I'm just waiting for someone to equate the "low" sample rate of that file with the sound quality. It's a pretty good, but "commercially" mastered live recording (to my ears; YMMV). I can't imagine audiophiles falling in love with it, but what do I know.

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post Dec 2 2014, 10:00
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QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Dec 1 2014, 19:10) *
I can't imagine audiophiles falling in love with it, but what do I know.
They would if the numbers were higher.


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