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Last AAC listening test poll (hopefully)
What encoder do you want featured as 6th competitor?
What encoder do you want featured as 6th competitor?
l3enc (anchor) [ 47 ] ** [28.14%]
Lame (anchor) [ 66 ] ** [39.52%]
Winamp (normal competitor) [ 54 ] ** [32.34%]
Total Votes: 208
  
rjamorim
post Feb 11 2004, 17:42
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Hello.

Hopefully this will be the last poll. Please vote.

The codecs already decided upon are:
- Nero AACenc
- iTunes
- Faac
- Compaact!
- Real

Best regards;

Roberto.

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post Feb 11 2004, 17:46
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From the last thread I thought this was going to be Winamp vs. l3enc vs. Compaact.

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post Feb 11 2004, 17:47
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QUOTE (ff123 @ Feb 11 2004, 02:46 PM)
From the last thread I thought this was going to be Winamp vs. l3enc vs. Compaact.

Argh. I was too tired to think properly. Please disregard that


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post Feb 11 2004, 18:00
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lol
maybe it would be the best to make one and for all multiple choice poll with all left codecs (real, winamp, compaact, lame and l3enc) and allowing the users to do multiple votes

and in the end the ones with the most votes get used
that would be an easy and clear solution


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post Feb 11 2004, 18:05
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rjamorim,

Could you kindly list the 5 programs that "made it" (not including this last anchor one)? I have seen so many different program lists for the test that my mind is spinning smile.gif

Edit: Thanks for updating this thread with that list of programs that will be in the test. Please disregard my request above.

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post Feb 11 2004, 18:06
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QUOTE (bond @ Feb 11 2004, 03:00 PM)
maybe it would be the best to make one and for all multiple choice poll with all left codecs (real, winamp, compaact, lame and l3enc) and allowing the users to do multiple votes

Invision does not allow multiple choices polls. Sorry.

I'm trying to juggle countless requests and complaints here, so please cut me some slack. :B

I'm also trying to adapt these decisions to a limited time frame.


@guest0101: Done.

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post Feb 11 2004, 18:09
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i assume its

itunes
nero
faac
real
compaact

and winamp i really hope, cause it will surely be a very important encoder in the future (more important than compaact imho)

so vote for winamp all!!! biggrin.gif

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Invision does not allow multiple choices polls. Sorry.

ah ic :B


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post Feb 11 2004, 18:13
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done.

(/me is nice, bond, isn't he) wink.gif
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post Feb 11 2004, 18:28
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All I wanted, now there is campaigning to choose codecs at my tests.

"Vote for Compaact, he'll lower your taxes!"

Sure sign that I should retire soon from this enchilada tongue.gif

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post Feb 11 2004, 19:00
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QUOTE (rjamorim @ Feb 11 2004, 06:28 PM)
"Vote for Compaact, he'll lower your taxes!"

Ahh, yes, this feature is planned in future versions, how did you already know this?

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post Feb 11 2004, 19:11
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IMHO, every test like this should have an anchor. It makes things simpler. Just my 2 cents.
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I changed my my mind. I did want a good anchor (l3enc) but to &^%# with it! There are way too many good AAC encoders to justify getting rid of one for an anchor. I'm going with Winamp.


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post Feb 11 2004, 21:47
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You guys aren't being much helpful, you know? :B

Sure, Winamp is winning, but definitely not by a significative margin.


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simply use 7 codecs laugh.gif tongue.gif


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post Feb 11 2004, 22:00
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ahh, how tiresome this test will be (and how difficult, yes). atm it looks like winamp is going to win it, meaning no anchor......so be it.
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post Feb 11 2004, 22:05
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QUOTE (bond @ Feb 11 2004, 06:52 PM)
simply use 7 codecs  laugh.gif  tongue.gif

Instead, I will use everything at 200kbps. And I will personally force you to ABX all of them. And you better be successful :B


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hahaha.....i really really hope you aren't serious. 6 good aac codecs at 128 is one thing, but 200? thats pushing it.
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Personally, I would have chosen the primary codecs differently, but... so be it. cool.gif

Since it's not practical for WinAmp to be included in the main list and use Lame as an anchor, I gotta go with Lame even though it's not AAC and this is an aac test.

Lame is the one single codec that 'everybody' knows an can relate to. It puts everything else into perspective.

Of course, you will end up having lame re-compete against the aac winner in the multi-format test, but that just means that test should be a bit easier since they'll already be familiar with them.

And that does mean that a very very major AAC distribution won't be tested. WinAmp's AAC will likely be distributed more than iTunes, Nero, and Real combined.... And it wouldn't get tested.... sad.gif But in spite of that, I still think Lame in there would allow everybody to actually relate the testing of all the AAC codecs to what they already know. Not just the winning codec.

I haven't been following all of these posts, but I assume the Winamp AAC encoder will be fixed before the test. Or there isn't a problem with it after all?
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QUOTE (rjamorim @ Feb 11 2004, 10:05 PM)
Instead, I will use everything at 200kbps. And I will personally force you to ABX all of them. And you better be successful :B

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what about using ~96kbps?


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post Feb 11 2004, 22:24
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bond, this aint about audio encodes for video, lol j/k... i would like to see winamp in this one, we already know aac is more efficient than mp3 in a lower bitrate. Lets prove the sixpacks that there is something else out there to encode AACs with rather than winamp. By this i mean, i hardly believe winamp's AAC will beat the others much more tunned and developed
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Winamp. It deserves to be in this test based on the user-mass, and the long time it's been available. I've used Winamp since 0.x/1.0 beta versions, and it was the thing that really introduced me to audio compression, so i really appreciate it still, even though there are much more choices of players nowadays..


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Wow, looks like we'll have a lot of participants in this test. Almost 40 votes for Winamp so far, and I assume every single one of those who voted for it is ready to sit through ABXing 12 samples on 6 near-transparency codecs. Because it would be rather cynical to demand that from others but refusing to do it yourself, wouldn't it?
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QUOTE (schnofler @ Feb 11 2004, 08:40 PM)
wouldn't it?

It definitely would. And that's why I tried to make clear people should consider the fatigue introduced by adding a 6th competitor.


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Ironically, I believe a great deal of the Winamp voters (or voters in general) will not participate. They vote for Winamp because they are just interested on how it would perform and let the others do the hard work.

Heh, perhaps you should've split the Winamp (and Lame) options in two, each: Winamp, yes I will participate; Winamp, no, I won't participate.

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QUOTE (Dologan @ Feb 11 2004, 08:53 PM)
Ironically, I believe a great deal of the Winamp voters (or voters in general) will not participate.

I know. I expect no more than 30 results per sample. That's how things go...


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