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CDRippers could be a thing of the past...in europe, If a new europe-wide law is adopted
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post Aug 11 2003, 22:44
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That is right, CD manufacturers tweak their CDs they call it 'Copy protection' any program that can be demonstrated to overcome this protection, the creators of such programs will fall foul of the law and said creators could face large jail times. Remeber it just needs the law in place and a crazy enough company (think RIAA suing its own customers in the USA) to really put an end to any 'fair use' you have as a consumer.

September the 11th is the date for voting on this proposal goes through:

http://comment.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020505,39115479,00.htm

Get onto your local MEP and voice your concerns.


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post Aug 11 2003, 22:50
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No!!! This would kill EAC at least...

And I've thought that EU would be smarter than US... ;-(

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post Aug 11 2003, 23:01
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I don't understand the extent of the law, can't I simply loop my Optical out to Optical in and assuming I've got a good sound card (good for music recording at least) wouldn't I get a close to perfect rip? so are sound card manufacturers screwed as well? if they're not, what do I care if they kill some of CD Rippers?


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post Aug 11 2003, 23:05
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Sorry, but do you know about SCMS (Copyright bit in SPDIF)?
All cards might be obliged to support it...

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post Aug 11 2003, 23:05
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QUOTE (AstralStorm @ Aug 11 2003, 06:50 PM)
No!!! This would kill EAC at least...

Maybe not kill, since it's usage is still legal in the rest of the World, but the page would have to go down and Andree would have to stop working on it. (Unless he moves from Europe)

I wonder what Ahead plans to do, since Feurio can overcome copy protection schemes as well.


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post Aug 11 2003, 23:11
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Hahahaha, of course, cd ripping a "copy protected" cd is a "circunvention" tongue.gif
Welcome to the underground, this is the future of humankind, unless you start revolting over there wink.gif In the troubled times to come, open source may have a better chance of survive. This is the ruling of corporations, a few monopolistic powers over commons. The definition is simply "Fascism". Because of this, i stand against copyrights as a whole. The time for a compromise is over, down with copyrights (and patents)! smile.gif (leftish urban guerilla tactics to follow hint: read about how they do low power fm broadcasts on UK, bwhahaha smile.gif)

In the meantime i suppose ill start sharing EAC in p2p networks, hehehe.

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post Aug 11 2003, 23:14
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QUOTE (AstralStorm @ Aug 11 2003, 04:50 PM)
And I've thought that EU would be smarter than US...

How do you fit your head through a doorway? dry.gif


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post Aug 11 2003, 23:16
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ISP's might need to block p2p to survive...
Even FreeNet can be detected using a good packet sniffer.

Encryption might be banned, because you could encrypt illegal material!
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post Aug 11 2003, 23:16
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QUOTE (AstralStorm @ Aug 11 2003, 02:05 PM)
Sorry, but do you know about SCMS (Copyright bit in SPDIF)?
All cards might be obliged to support it...

still there still good old digital out/in, and if that fails, good recodring cards have some good analog solutions. can't be worse than compression (if you have at least entry-pro card).


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post Aug 11 2003, 23:18
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Which digital IO protocol do you speak of?
All I know of implement some kind of 'copyright control'.
The most widespread is SPDIF protocol.


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post Aug 11 2003, 23:19
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QUOTE (rjamorim @ Aug 12 2003, 12:05 AM)
I wonder what Ahead plans to do, since Feurio can overcome copy protection schemes as well.

And Nero too, although it probably doesn't have any special routine to rip protected discs.
I've ripped a CDS200 (Radiohead's "Hail to the thief") with Nero as easy as with Feurio (LG GCE-8481B).

Will programs with no special routines to defeat protections be prosecuted?
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post Aug 11 2003, 23:25
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why not loop good old line-in/out (the ones that mics/headphones use)? do those have copy protection.

some cards have RCA type of plugs, it's analog, so I don't see how digital protection gonna work.

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post Aug 11 2003, 23:27
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They may also require all CD-R/CD-ROM drives to not read audio digitally if the CD is marked as copy-damaged.
This is possible to do and will be hard to circumvent. (additionally doing it would be illegal)

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Think about this draft combined with TCPA... Horror!
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post Aug 11 2003, 23:56
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question: then what are all those mp3/wma/ogg/aac etc. portable players for? they can't expect people to buy music in 128 kbps quality. Well some already do, but it can't support the industry at large, and onece the flaws of low bitrate come out (and they will, couse majority can't have 128kbps as transparent quality) the sales are going to get a big dip.

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post Aug 12 2003, 00:20
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So, the miserable shits managed to get September 11th as the date for voting on the proposal. No doubt any vote against their commercial interests will be seen as "unAmerican", commie pinko subversive, supporting terrorism, etc etc...

How cynical is it possible for human beings to be...?

Fuck them. Fuck anyone who tries to tell me what I may or may not do with my computer. Fortunately, over 90% of the human species is not directly answerable either to the USA or the United States of Europe. The ironic thing is, at one time I had a lot of sympathy for copyright holders, thinking (no doubt naively) that every illegally downloaded track was taking food from the mouths of struggling artists...Yeah, right. Depriving RIAA execs of their next cocaine fix, more like.

Can I say it more clearly? FUCK 'EM. I will now screw them over at every opportunity open to me, and will encourage others to do the same. What a result!!

edit: sorry, excuse the profanity, this just wound me up somewhat smile.gif

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post Aug 12 2003, 01:20
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QUOTE (nick705 @ Aug 11 2003, 06:20 PM)
thinking (no doubt naively) that every illegally downloaded track was taking food from the mouths of struggling artists...Yeah, right. Depriving RIAA execs of their next cocaine fix, more like.

Ha! Maybe time for the Larry Flynt (publisher of Hustler magazine) approach (is he still in a posiition to do it?)

When the right wingers in Congress were clamoring for Clinton's impeachment over
Monica Lewinski, Flynt offered a bounty for the goods on adulterous "famly values"
congressmen, and 3 of them (including speaker of the house) ended up leaving after being caught with their pants down, so to speak.

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post Aug 12 2003, 01:32
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Well I am also not happy with this.

But can someone explain me what the maindifference is with DMCA (The Digital Millennium Copyright Act) from America compared to this proposal from the EU ?

about DMCA see: http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm

Thx in advance.
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As with various protection proposals in the US, this one has VERY wide ranging collateral damage:

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The coalition wrote that Article 21 "erodes the public's fair use (fair dealing) and freedom of expression rights by outlawing all technologies, including software, that are capable of bypassing technical restrictions."


Since one of the protection mechanisms is RFID tags which can be imbedded in clothing,
scissors and sharp knives, which could be used to cut out the bit of cloth containing
one of these rice grain size tags, would be an offending piracy technology, and illegal.

Ironic, since sharp knives have always been a tool of traditional pirates. laugh.gif
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post Aug 12 2003, 01:50
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QUOTE (spoon @ Aug 11 2003, 04:44 PM)
September the 11th is the date for voting on this proposal goes through:

No small irony that the date for voting is 9/11.

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post Aug 12 2003, 02:30
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In times like these (and ONLY in times like these, usually I still believe in Law and Order) I kinda like living in a "lawless" country.

But, yeah, if this thing happens I think I will also try to screw the record companies at every opportunity I got. What a nerve they have. In my country, most of the recent high-profile CDs coming out are those of the contestants of the Mexican version of "American Idol", out-of-tune (in the BAD sense) singing of crappy tunes they don't even wrote. And they have been dropping every rock band for not being "viable" enough. And they blame it all on piracy.

Too bad there are no Mexican coders...


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QUOTE (AtaqueEG @ Aug 11 2003, 10:30 PM)
I kinda like living in a "lawless" country.

Same here biggrin.gif


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and onece the flaws of low bitrate come out (and they will, couse majority can't have 128kbps as transparent quality) the sales are going to get a big dip.


People already believe MP3 to be "CD quality" at 128kbps. Given that the new generation codecs are even more efficient than MP3, people can only be happier with 128kbps.

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post Aug 12 2003, 08:25
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Well, I live in Germany and know a lot about this new "Urheberrecht Gesetz". Anyway, here is a list with the known applications, which will be illegal in the future:

Alcohol 52%
Alcohol 68%
Alcohol 120%
Audiograbber
BlindWrite Suite
CDex
CD Master Clone
CDR Win
CloneCD
Disc Juggler
Easy CDDA Extractor
Exact Audio Copy
Feurio!
Fire Burner
Softdiv CD Ripper

CloneDVD, WinOnCD and Nero Burning ROM remain legal, as they cannot copy protected DVDs/CDs.

Also, the new law in Germany applies ONLY to Audio CDs and (S)VCDs/DVDs. It is still legal to make a copy of a protected Data CD (although NOT if it is a game!). CloneCD for example becomes illegal because it can also clone protected Audio CDs.

Edit: Fixed a grammar error.

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Oh, one more thing.... The law says that it is illegal to crack an effective protection. Audio CDs have an effective digital protection, but they can never have an analog protection and therefore, it IS legal to make a copy of your CD using the analog way (CD -> MC, CD -> PC (analog), CD -> MD (analog)...).
The same thing does NOT apply to VHSs or DVDs, as the Macrovision protection is analog, while CSS (for DVDs) is digital. In this case you aren't allowed to copy the DVD at all!

There is one thing which makes me unsure... My LITE-ON LTR-52246S recognizes a with Key2Audio protected CD as a normal Mixed Mode CD. I can play back the CD (in digital mode) whithout any problems. Does that mean that the protection isn't effective and therefore it IS LEGAL to copy it?


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QUOTE (lexor @ Aug 11 2003, 02:01 PM)
I don't understand the extent of the law, can't I simply loop my Optical out to Optical in and assuming I've got a good sound card (good for music recording at least) wouldn't I get a close to perfect rip? so are sound card manufacturers screwed as well? if they're not, what do I care if they kill some of CD Rippers?

You're forgetting one thing the widespreading of the imbedded PC/Mac player included on the CD.

And this player reads a lesser quality stream. I wouldn't want to record it at all, I want the uncompressed full spectrum source.

And if it is prohibited legally to rip for fair use a CD well that is a big concern.

Maybe it is not far the time when you'll have to refer to web site for activating your CD. mad.gif

We all know that the majors would like to rent not sell music and video. (and so does Microsoft with it's products)
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