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[TOS #5] From: Thinking of upgrading speakers

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Quote from: Rich B on
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There are people around here who have easily obtained $100's worth of FREE top grade consulting and then peed on it.


Your advice is not worth $100's based on what you've written. You seem to be in one of those bad moods again.


Thanks Rich for an excellent demonstration of why answering your questions is a worthless task. 

The Bible says: "Cast not your pearls before swine" (Matt 7:6) and your posts might even make Born-Again Christians out of some confirmed skeptics. ;-)

I've made $100,000's if not $1,000,000's (lifetime)  giving out technical advice, some of it even related to audio.

Rich, I've known all along that in your current state of arrogance and ignorance, the only reasonable hope was that others would benefit from it because with your attitude, you sure as #&!! won't.

Wake up!


My arrogance? What about your arrogance? You are too good to answer my questions? For the record I'm an atheist, not a bible thumper like you, and unlike you, I don't need to believe in an imaginary being to feel good about myself. Best part is that double blind testing was not required.

You are just so big aren't you? You have decades of experience behind your belt and look at you? You're a pompous ass on some pedestal who thinks he's all high and mighty. I asked you to explain why such low impedances were a problem, but you're too good, too smart and I'm too dumb and too arrogant to take it all in. Well, you're not blameless yourself.

Look yourself in the mirror the next you time post!

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Quote from: Rich B on
My arrogance? What about your arrogance? You are too good to answer my questions? For the record I'm an atheist, not a bible thumper like you, and unlike you, I don't need to believe in an imaginary being to feel good about myself. Best part is that double blind testing was not required.

You are just so big aren't you? You have decades of experience behind your belt and look at you? You're a pompous ass on some pedestal who thinks he's all high and mighty. I asked you to explain why such low impedances were a problem, but you're too good, too smart and I'm too dumb and too arrogant to take it all in. Well, you're not blameless yourself.


What to say about someone who is too good to Google up my recent responses to this very question? Two words: Crest Factor.

Your comments about Bible Thumping further characterize your arrogance - you apparently don't know that like many books of ancient wisdom, it seems to have something to say about many things that are still relevant. You don't seem to know that people quote many books of wisdom without deifying their author. Ever see someone quote Shakespeare? Churchill? I guess not!

In fact Rich I know very little but I may know a few things that others may not. This is a marketplace of ideas - pick and choose what you will.

However if you haven't noticed, you have a reputation around here that is something like "Money Talks, BS walks". You always seem to walk away.

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Your comments about Bible Thumping further characterize your arrogance - you apparently don't know that like many books of ancient wisdom, it seems to have something to say about many things that are still relevant. You don't seem to know that people quote many books of wisdom without deifying their author. Ever see someone quote Shakespeare? Churchill? I guess not!


The bible is definitely not a book of wisdom. It includes the approval of sexism, genocide and slavery. It is filled with imagination and horror about a vengeful blood deity who sacrifices himself for himself for his Greater glory and desires all of humanity to worship him or they are transported to an eternal afterlife of torment and suffering.

I think quoting from Shakespeare or Churchill would be somewhat of an upgrade over the bible.

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Your comments about Bible Thumping further characterize your arrogance - you apparently don't know that like many books of ancient wisdom, it seems to have something to say about many things that are still relevant. You don't seem to know that people quote many books of wisdom without deifying their author. Ever see someone quote Shakespeare? Churchill? I guess not!


The bible is definitely not a book of wisdom. It includes the approval of sexism, genocide and slavery. It is filled with imagination and horror about a vengeful blood deity who sacrifices himself for himself for his Greater glory and desires all of humanity to worship him or they are transported to an eternal afterlife of torment and suffering.

I think quoting from Shakespeare or Churchill would be somewhat of an upgrade over the bible.


I find it a bit interesting is that even Pravda, the Communist newspaper quotes this Bible passage:

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A Pravda.Ru correspondent asked the expert for whom such statements were made.
"For people, who know little of history and who do not have their own opinion. The more sensational the statement, even if it's false, the better people take it. One of the 20th century propagandists, Goebbels, said: "The more heinous and scarier a lie, the sooner people will believe it". In other words, there is also nothing new in terms of propaganda," Kirill Anderson noted.

The Pravda.Ru correspondent asked what revisiting of the results of World War Two would lead to. How should we struggle with it?
"We should ignore it, do not respond to all ignorant outcries. "Do not cast pearls before swine". However, there is a way to struggle with perversion of history - create your own history. At that, the way history is presented is also important, not only material itself. History must be not only true but also vividly stated," Kirill Anderson said.
- See more at: http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/2...h.e6pseebN.dpuf
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Rich, you are a walking talking exhibit for the ill effects of honoring prejudice and flawed sources over generally accepted wisdom.

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Quote from: Arnold B. Krueger on
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Your comments about Bible Thumping further characterize your arrogance - you apparently don't know that like many books of ancient wisdom, it seems to have something to say about many things that are still relevant. You don't seem to know that people quote many books of wisdom without deifying their author. Ever see someone quote Shakespeare? Churchill? I guess not!


The bible is definitely not a book of wisdom. It includes the approval of sexism, genocide and slavery. It is filled with imagination and horror about a vengeful blood deity who sacrifices himself for himself for his Greater glory and desires all of humanity to worship him or they are transported to an eternal afterlife of torment and suffering.

I think quoting from Shakespeare or Churchill would be somewhat of an upgrade over the bible.


I find it a bit interesting is that even Pravda, the Communist newspaper quotes this Bible passage:

Pravda quote

"
A Pravda.Ru correspondent asked the expert for whom such statements were made.
"For people, who know little of history and who do not have their own opinion. The more sensational the statement, even if it's false, the better people take it. One of the 20th century propagandists, Goebbels, said: "The more heinous and scarier a lie, the sooner people will believe it". In other words, there is also nothing new in terms of propaganda," Kirill Anderson noted.

The Pravda.Ru correspondent asked what revisiting of the results of World War Two would lead to. How should we struggle with it?
"We should ignore it, do not respond to all ignorant outcries. "Do not cast pearls before swine". However, there is a way to struggle with perversion of history - create your own history. At that, the way history is presented is also important, not only material itself. History must be not only true but also vividly stated," Kirill Anderson said.
- See more at: http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/2...h.e6pseebN.dpuf
"

Rich, you are a walking talking exhibit for the ill effects of honoring prejudice and flawed sources over generally accepted wisdom.


It's not about prejudice, it's about the facts. You're not interested in the facts. That's why you require faith to 'believe'. You would rather bury your head in the sand than accept the facts in order to justify your belief system, which is so filled with holes and contradictions that I could use it as a spatula. Whatever dude, believe whatever you like if it makes you feel good, just don't dump your illogical black book on me!

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Like a trainwreck ..

Nobody needs to give advice here if they don't want to, and I also don't see how attacks help either.
"I hear it when I see it."

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Like a trainwreck ..

Nobody needs to give advice here if they don't want to, and I also don't see how attacks help either.


Yes well, then why post in the first place? Why did Arnold have to bring religion into the discussion by quoting a passage from the bible?

Instead of answering the question people decided they would tell me which speaker they would rather prefer. I don't need to know which speaker they would prefer. I like this speaker. I heard it and I like the sound.

So the question is, is the speaker difficult to drive or is it not, due to the low impedance dips? If you answer no, is there a technical explanation why, and if so, what is it? That's all I want to know.

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Quote from: Rich B on
Quote from: xnor on
Like a trainwreck ..

Nobody needs to give advice here if they don't want to, and I also don't see how attacks help either.


Yes well, then why post in the first place? Why did Arnold have to bring religion into the discussion by quoting a passage from the bible?

Idk. But it's just idiomatic for "don't give things of value to those who will not understand or appreciate it".
I don't think he wanted to discuss religion.

"I hear it when I see it."

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I don't need to believe in an imaginary being to feel good about myself.
The imaginary things you seem to like to believe in are relevant and sometimes problematic to discussions in this forum. Conventional religious beliefs generally aren't. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

Cheers,
David.

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Quote from: xnor on
Like a trainwreck ..

Nobody needs to give advice here if they don't want to, and I also don't see how attacks help either.


Yes well, then why post in the first place?


Because Rich, you have an unenviable track record of posting essentially the same question here over and over.

Some might think that you ask the same question over and over again hoping to get the answer that you want - which is somewhat distant from being rational.

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Why did Arnold have to bring religion into the discussion by quoting a passage from the bible?


Because quoting a passage from the Bible doesn't necessarily bring religion into a discussion. If one were perfectly rational about the Bible, their attitude would be that it is a book like any other and quoting from it is like quoting from any other book. It is one of those things that is commonly done. By melting down several times at the very mention of the Bible Rich, you provided strong evidence that you are not rational about Christianity but highly biased against it. 

I might add that every fault you ascribed to the Bible in its ca. 3,000 year history as a written document, has been committed by virtually every modern secular state that has been around for 2-300 years including both the UK and good ole USA.

Remember Rich, If I tell you how many printed documents I have in my wallet that say: "In God We Trust" you could estimate how much US currency I have in it.

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Instead of answering the question people decided they would tell me which speaker they would rather prefer. I don't need to know which speaker they would prefer. I like this speaker. I heard it and I like the sound.


So, did you audition the speaker at home?

Or did you ignore a ton of advice you've received in the past saying that since the sound of a speaker is highly dependent on the room that it is in, in-store demos are probably worse than useless?

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So the question is, is the speaker difficult to drive or is it not, due to the low impedance dips? If you answer no, is there a technical explanation why, and if so, what is it? That's all I want to know.


Asked and answered several times, but presumably not with the preferred answer de jour.

Friendly advice: If you want to lecture people about being biased, first try not to wear your biases on your sleeve. ;-)

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People like Jefferson, Paine, Franklin surely spun in their graves...

"I hear it when I see it."

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People like Jefferson, Paine, Franklin surely spun in their graves...



About "In God We Trust" printed on all money since the Eisenhower administration?

Revisionist history. Jefferson liked the Bible so well that he had his own personal translation of it. Franklin while not a Believer was a hearty contributor to certain Evangelical churches in Boston.

Paine allegedly wrote:

Thomas Paine (1824), The Theological Works of Thomas Paine, ...  p. 31

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The opinions I have advanced ... are the effect of the most clear and long-established conviction that the Bible and the Testament are impositions upon the world, that the fall of man, the account of Jesus Christ being the Son of God, and of his dying to appease the wrath of God, and of salvation, by that strange means, are all fabulous inventions, dishonorable to the wisdom and power of the Almighty; that the only true religion is Deism, by which I then meant, and mean now, the belief of one God, and an imitation of his moral character, or the practice of what are called moral virtues – and that it was upon this only (so far as religion is concerned) that I rested all my hopes of happiness hereafter. So say I now – and so help me God
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IOW he didn't believe in  Christianity as we know it, but he did believe in a Superior Being, probably with many or all of the attributes that some modern atheists find so hard to swallow.

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"...as we know it"?

At least you conceded the USofA is a secular state, well, at least for now anyway.  Who knows what the rabid morons on the far right are scheming to do.  Speaking of revisionism, I'm afraid the current direction of school texts provides a glimpse of what the future holds.

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Arny, so what do those quotes have to do with changing the US motto, changing the Pledge of Allegiance, money? Right, nothing.

I can also post quotes:
"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind." - Thomas Paine

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god" - Thomas Jefferson

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." - James Madison

Paine didn't believe in Christianity at all. You do understand the difference between Deism and the big three monotheistic religions, right? This has nothing to do with evolution of these religions (or lack thereof).


Yes, they certainly spun in their graves. And you have to keep in mind in what scientifically ignorant times these people lived - they certainly would have different, more evolved () views today.
"I hear it when I see it."

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Quote from: Arnold B. Krueger on
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People like Jefferson, Paine, Franklin surely spun in their graves...



About "In God We Trust" printed on all money since the Eisenhower administration?


Wow, *that* long ago?   

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Revisionist history. Jefferson liked the Bible so well that he had his own personal translation of it. Franklin while not a Believer was a hearty contributor to certain Evangelical churches in Boston.



All history is revisionist, Arny.  Jefferson also quite famously cut out all the 'supernatural' parts of the NT.  The parts that, you know, underpin Christianity and distinguish from a 'merely' secular ethical system.

ANYWAY.

Your Christian-believer bias has no place in this discussion, nor does Rich B's anti-Bible trolling.  I'm of a mind to put you both in my ignore bin if it goes on.


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Quote from: Arnold B. Krueger on
Quote from: xnor on
People like Jefferson, Paine, Franklin surely spun in their graves...



About "In God We Trust" printed on all money since the Eisenhower administration?

When I was in grade school I had to relearn the words to the pledge of allegiance. It still grates on me whenever I hear the current version.

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My mother says the same thing.


It grates on me because for most of the people who say it, it is a million miles from their true state of mind. It is just words.

As usual, people are full of hatred against each other, and any possible or impossible deity and the people who may believe in or against Him make as good focal points for that hate as they ever did.

If Rich and the rest of you haters hadn't gone all irrational and ballistic, this would have been over like a dozen posts ago.

And now because I quoted a certain book, I'm the current focal point of your hatred.

If I hadn't have (re) invented ABX as the great interactive tool that it became, you'd all probably all still be Golden Ears. ;-)

There would be justice in that...

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If I hadn't have (re) invented ABX as the great interactive tool that it became, you'd all probably all still be Golden Ears. ;-)


You never reinvented ABX. You're a very small cog in a very large machine. You also never invented ABX either. : (

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If I hadn't have (re) invented ABX as the great interactive tool that it became, you'd all probably all still be Golden Ears. ;-)


You never reinvented ABX. You're a very small cog in a very large machine. You also never invented ABX either. : (


Rich, there is a great source of solace for me in this world, and that is the fact that much of the intelligent world including most of Science disagrees  with you  about just about everything just about all of the time.

Furthermore, Science and reason as they are generally accepted never make any sense to you.

I'm wrong a fair proportion of the time, but you are rarely right.

This used to frustrate me, but now I've had a very clear demo of your "Logical thinking", and it is all very clear to me.

You live in a logic tight box just about 100% controlled by your own passions and needs.

For example, you (and others) have recited the usual pre-programmed hater spew about Christianity that some hater taught you some time ago. You obviously don't realize that every modern institution that is at least 300 years old (probably less) fostered the identical same errors at some point in their existence. Slavery, hatred, stealing, prejudice, violence, killing, you name it. Never studied history, I take it?

Why study history? It is not about you!

Rule number one is that the world does not care what anybody believes. It is what it is.

You have two choices - learn what reliable relevant knowledge that you can about how the world works, or go through life like a bumper car, constantly running into every wall and partition that jumps out in front of you. Even if you do the former, you'll still run into your share of walls, but it might be better for you.

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Quote from: Arnold B. Krueger on
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If I hadn't have (re) invented ABX as the great interactive tool that it became, you'd all probably all still be Golden Ears. ;-)


You never reinvented ABX. You're a very small cog in a very large machine. You also never invented ABX either. : (


Rich, there is a great source of solace for me in this world, and that is the fact that much of the intelligent world including most of Science disagrees  with you  about just about everything just about all of the time.


I don't believe Science has a spokesman, but I'm certain neither you nor I have that position. But as a scientist (as you are not), I can say that I disagree with Rich sometimes, but not nearly "all of the time".

One place I would disagree is in describing you as a "very small cog in a very large machine" w.r.t. ABX. You are a very large cog, but just a cog, and your repeated claims to be more are offensive and wrong.

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For example, you (and others) have recited the usual pre-programmed hater spew about Christianity that some hater taught you some time ago.


I broke free from my Christian programming camp a few decades ago and am living a more enriched life because of it. Christianity, at its core, teaches us that we are worthless creations in need of saving. I don't need saving, least of all from a maniacal, vengeful blood deity, thank you very much.