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2009 ripping/encoding general poll
What are your current choices for your own musical library?
What's your *main lossy* format of choice?
MP3 [ 497 ] ** [59.10%]
Ogg Vorbis [ 120 ] ** [14.27%]
AAC (MP4, M4A, AAC) [ 137 ] ** [16.29%]
MPC [ 38 ] ** [4.52%]
WavPack lossy [ 3 ] ** [0.36%]
LossyWAV + lossless [ 8 ] ** [0.95%]
WMA Standard or PRO (lossy) [ 4 ] ** [0.48%]
Atrac (any version) [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
other lossy format [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
I don't use lossy AT ALL! [ 34 ] ** [4.04%]
What's your *main lossless* format of choice?
FLAC [ 566 ] ** [67.30%]
WavPack [ 113 ] ** [13.44%]
TAK [ 46 ] ** [5.47%]
Monkey's Audio [ 20 ] ** [2.38%]
Apple Lossless [ 25 ] ** [2.97%]
WMA Lossless [ 6 ] ** [0.71%]
OptimFrog [ 1 ] ** [0.12%]
other lossless format [ 5 ] ** [0.59%]
I don't use lossless AT ALL! [ 59 ] ** [7.02%]
What's your favorite ripping mode {for your main, archive or most important library if you have several ones}?
one file per track [ 638 ] ** [75.86%]
one file per disc with cuesheet or chapters [ 116 ] ** [13.79%]
it depends: I mix both [ 87 ] ** [10.34%]
Total Votes: 923
  
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post Jan 1 2009, 16:33
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Happy new year to everyone smile.gif

As last year and the year before, I invite every HA.org members to answer a few questions. 920 persons take part to the same poll in 2007. And in 2008, a new record was broken with more than 1200 participants. I would thank the HA.org team who makes this score possible by giving to this poll a lot of visibility (it was pinned and appeared on HA portal during several weeks). I invite of course everyone to break it in the next months.

With all datas we gathered in the last year we now have nice and interesting curves:


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I let you comment this smile.gif

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NB: To keep this first post short, I will post the links to previous polls and all exact datas a bit later.

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post Jan 1 2009, 17:06
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MP3 (LAME 3.98 -V5) for listening on PC and DAP.
Wavpack images with embedded cuesheets for archiving.

Happy New Year! smile.gif

Good work once again guruboolez.


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post Jan 1 2009, 17:21
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MP3 Tracks (LAME 3.98.2 -V2.5) for iPod and home PC
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post Jan 1 2009, 17:23
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Happy 2009!!

I use FLAC + cuesheet for my library. And I have no portable/DAP, so lossy encoding is useless for me.
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post Jan 1 2009, 17:33
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LAME 3.98 -V0 for listening
APE Extra High + Cue + Log for CD backups


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post Jan 1 2009, 17:43
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Here are the full datas:
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      |   AAC   |   MP3   |   MPC   |  Vorbis |  FLAC   |   APE   |  TAK   | WavPack
------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------|---------
2001  |   7,42  |  28,71  |  29,95  |  22,94  |         |         |        |        
2002  |   5,60  |  32,32  |  29,60  |  25,89  |  35,56  |  57,41  |  ----- |  1,85
2003  |  10,96  |  21,92  |  47,49  |  19,63  |  54,22  |  31,33  |  ----- |  5,42
2004  |  11,14  |  28,01  |  28,45  |  20,38  |  -----  |  -----  |  ----- |  -----
2005  |  11,26  |  36,09  |  24,17  |  25,50  |  52,73  |  18,18  |  ----- |  14,83
2006  |  12,67  |  46,04  |   9,68  |  27,39  |  52,66  |   8,31  |  0,46  |  32,33
2007  |  12,77  |  54,22  |   4,44  |  22,84  |  59,42  |   4,65  |  0,76  |  21,97
2008  |  16,25  |  56,19  |   3,80  |  17,66  |  65,59  |   4,29  |  4,46  |  14,52


Thanks to houyhnhnm who dig some old polls I didn't found myself.

Now, the difference between 2007 and 2008:

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        |  2007   |  2008   |  
--------|---------|---------|------------
WavPack |  21,97  |  14,52  |  -33,91 %
Vorbis  |  22,84  |  17,66  |  -22,68 %
MPC     |   4,44  |   3,80  |  -14,41 %
APE     |   4,65  |   4,29  |   -7,74 %
MP3     |  54,22  |  56,19  |    3,63 %
FLAC    |  59,42  |  65,59  |   10,38 %
AAC     |  12,77  |  16,25  |   27,25 %
TAK     |   0,76  |   4,46  |  486,84 %


For the second consecutive year Vorbis and WavPack have both lost some attraction inside the HA.org basis. The most popular lossy and lossless formats in 2007 (MP3 and FLAC) have also increased their popularity. FLAC is cannibalizing the market with 2/3 of the voters. It's a unique situation in the whole HA history. The most impressive progress comes from TAK which appears now on the podium as the third most popular lossless format.

The old "elephants" which ruled the forum some years ago (MPC and Monkey's Audio) are slowly fading away but they have this year maintained most of their remaining users basis. They seem to have truly loyal users. AAC progressed very well this year after 5 years of relative stagnation.



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On my side my votes are for AAC + FLAC + one file per track. I haven't changed anything since 2008.

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post Jan 1 2009, 17:59
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FLAC -8 (single files per track) for archive and PC / streaming device playback.
LAME -V3 for DAP playback.

It isn't that I can hear the difference between V3 and FLAC for PC / streaming device playback, it is that I don't keep a MP3 copy on my NAS box as I transcode on transfer.


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post Jan 1 2009, 18:17
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FLAC -6 for archive and listening until lossywav was released
lossyWav q8 +FLAC -6
mp3 V4 for DAP

And a happy and healthy 2009 to you all.
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post Jan 1 2009, 19:21
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Like most, have FLAC -8 for archival purposes and listening purposes and use MP3 -V0 for portable use.
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post Jan 1 2009, 19:33
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Vorbis q10 (aoTuV) for archiving & listening.
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FLAC V8 for archive, LAME MP3/V4 for casual/portable use

It would be interesting to know how much of the shift in codecs is due to new members joining vs. long time members - are long time members shifting codecs or are they being outnumbered by new members with different choices? Membership has grown considerably over the years and might be reflecting the general population a little more.

However, for some reason I suspect long time members are shifting codecs too...

FLAC V8 for archive, LAME MP3/V4 for casual/portable use

It would be interesting to know how much of the shift in codecs is due to new members joining vs. long time members - are long time members shifting codecs or are they being outnumbered by new members with different choices? Membership has grown considerably over the years and might be reflecting the general population a little more.

However, for some reason I suspect long time members are shifting codecs too...


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post Jan 1 2009, 19:56
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When I joined (which wasn't too long ago) I was a vorbis user like I am now.
But like most people my digital audio encoding started off with mp3.
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post Jan 1 2009, 20:30
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MP3 (LAME 3.98.2 -V2 --vbr-new or better)
FLAC (1.2.1 -V -8)
One file per track

My favorite programs: dBpoweramp 13.1 ref - EAC

Happy new year %-)

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I typically use Nero AAC for my iPod, but now that it might have bit the dust, my primary lossy encoding might be what I use for vinyl rips (lossyWAV).
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I use Apple Lossless (ripped and encoded with dBpowerAMP, not iTunes) for my archive needs. It is compatible with iTunes and my iPods.

I then use -V 3 with Lame 3.98.2 for my lossy standard. I listen to my lossy files on my computer, my portable player (mainly an iPod but I occasionally use my Zen), and my large speaker system using my PS3 or Xbox 360 for playback.

Edit: Alright, my lossy standard has changed. I recently purchased a 120GB iPod classic, a car connectivity kit giving me great quality, and a new AppleTV device. I am no longer relying on my Xbox 360 or PS3 for audio playback through my speakers and I do not need to stick with mp3 for playback in my car. I was going to switch to Nero at -q0.40 (so that I could fit more content on my 1G 16GB iPod touch) but I have no need to use that setting. I have switched to Nero AAC at -q0.50. The files are still compatible with my Xbox 360 but I can fit all my lossy files on my AppleTV, fit all of my lossy files and videos on my iPod, and I can easily playback the files in my mp3/WMA only car CD deck via the iPod connectivity kit. I have been waiting a long time to switch to Nero AAC and I feel that now is the time. Sorry Lame, you have served me for 5+ years now but Nero keeps peaking my interest.

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MP3 (LAME 3.98.2 -V3 --vbr-new)
FLAC (1.2.1 -V -5)
One file per track

HAPPY NEW YEAR!
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can WAV be a codec?
I don't bother with FLAC
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post Jan 1 2009, 21:32
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MP3 (LAME 3.98.2 V0)
FLAC (1.2.1 @ 8)
One file per track

I also use Nero AAC -q 0.4 for my iPhone, but I may switch that to LAME V5 at some point this year.
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post Jan 1 2009, 21:32
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Results from last years, and current poll too, clearly show the main point to win - hardware compatibility.


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QUOTE (skizman @ Jan 1 2009, 22:29) *
can WAV be a codec?
I don't bother with FLAC

WAV is not really a codec but rather a container (usually for PCM data on Windows platforms). But you can vote for this: it belongs in the other lossless format category.
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post Jan 1 2009, 21:55
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AAC
FLAC
one file per track.

For my ears AAC 1.5-1.6x more efficient than MP3
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=66949

During previous year I gave a try to TAK but now I stay with FLAC. FLAC has wide soft/hard compability and it's most efficient for my usage. (speed, compression ratio, etc)

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For a long time I rip to FLAC -8 and one file per track. For portability I used until now mp3 -V2 but in the last 2 weeks I'm playing and ABX-ing a lot with Nero AAC and a little bit with latest Ogg aoTuV. The latter I discarded to continue testing because of poor compatibility on non-PC hardware (not because of quality at 160-240kbps range which is rather high).
I'm testing Nero AAC mainly at q0.5 and q0.6 and I like the obtained quality very very much. I still have to do some more testing about the q-level but I've almost decided to drop mp3 and go for AAC as I think hardware support will grow fast. My only concern is if Nero AAC will always be free.
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Voted for MP3. But I also use Vorbis (aoTuV), especially when I have to transcode files.
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Nero AAC is overtaking Lame 3.98.2 for my lossy use...though it nothing on my lossyWAV+TAK library that serves as the resource for conversion to many lossy formats, and what I listen to on my desktop. Notebook is non-lossyWAV though.

For archival purposes, I used Wavpack 4.5x initially, switched to flac 1.2.x for a couple CDs then straight to TAK 1.0.4 and from there have used Tak at -p5/-p4...

...with EMBEDDED cuesheets and logs in a single file sauce. Yum!


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post Jan 1 2009, 22:52
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MP3 for playback on PCs (the few ones with small HDs or small quotas), no lossless (just the ripped PCM as WAVE files as backups), one file per track
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