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QUERY: editing CloneCD images & best for game data & music CDs
andwan0
post May 11 2009, 16:04
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This is really a question about making a backup copy of a game CD which contains both data & analogue music. The game in question is an old 1997 game called Total Annihilation - don't worry, the company Cavedog liquidated. Due to CD usage and how old the CD is, I want to preserve it by not using it and making an exact copy as CD images.

Many other discussions/posts talk about either ripping analogue music, or making backup copies of data CDs. But I haven't come across topics which concentrate on a CD containing data & analogue music.

I have used CloneCD to backup my game CD. Some of the music tracks came out with noise or too much gain. One data file came out corrupted. While CloneCD is good for game data, it wasn't so good with the music.

Two questions:

    What is the best program to backup game CDs with analogue music (making best exact copy of the analogue music too)?

    Is there a way to change one of the files of a CloneCD image?


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rpp3po
post May 11 2009, 16:41
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That's kind of tough to accomplish. The point of CloneCD is to short circuit error correction and detection to be able to copy the copy protection. You have two options:

  1. Find a way to tell CloneCD to treat the audio part differently from the data part.
  2. If the copy protection is old enough a regular read in raw mode to a cuesheet based format may be sufficient. Or convert the CloneCD image with an image tool to cuesheet format. Then replace the WAV tracks with WAV some ripped separately by EAC.


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andwan0
post May 19 2009, 02:12
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Yes, Total Annihilation is a mix-moded CD (track 1 is data, other tracks for analogue audio). I just realised that Total Annihilation doesn't even have copy protection (from GCW)... so I didn't really need to use copy-protection profiles from CloneCD at all. I think the last time I made CloneCD images was in 2003 on a crappy CD-ROM drive.

TIP4SELF: use a good clean CD/DVD drive when making images.. & use a normal or playstation CD profile (as long as it extracts sub-channel and doesn't ignore bad sectors or errors).

Well, my old game CDs were probably naff... so I bought another new pair off eBay and they look virtually clean and new. Now am experiementaly with different CD imaging programs to see which one is best... I'll probably write up a comparison or report my findings onto their respective wikipedia pages...

1. Alcohol 120% has "Data Position Measurement"... is this good or bad? What is it really?
2. Luckily Daemon Tools Adv. has a Mixed Mode Profile. Though am confused by the subchannel options (96bytes of raw PW? or 16 bytes of PQ?). It can compress MDS/MDF format which is also good.
3. Going to try CloneCD, GameJackel, PowerISO, BlindWrite, CDRWIN, MagicISO, UltraISO, Nero, etc...

TIP4SELF: How to make flawless mix-mode images? Am not too worried about the DATA section since I can use RapidCRC and verify checksums. The hard bits are the analogue audio tracks. I did a bit of reading about Exact Audio Copy or 1-to-1 copy of analogue audio tracks. There's a program called paranoia(?). So I can do the Exact-Audio-Copy off the CD first... then do the EAC off the images and compare the 2 copies to see if they match.

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rednyrg721
post May 19 2009, 09:23
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This thread contains some answers: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=31989, i especially liked this guide: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=278869.
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post May 19 2009, 16:05
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QUOTE (andwan0)
This is really a question about making a backup copy of a game CD which contains both data & analogue music.

How can CD contain analogue music?
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