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Need some advice to store my music CDs on hard disk, How to create image files from audio cds correctly
dmdevotee
post Mar 26 2013, 13:22
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Hi everybody
(I'm sorry if you can't understand me correctly, english is not my native language)

I am currently ripping my CD collection (original discs) with dBPoweramp CD Ripper to FLAC, and I'm ok with that, but, I want to create a CD image (.iso for example) for every CD from my collection...

I know that for most users this is overkill and even useless but I want this for this reasons:

If I make a mistake with dBPoweramp CD Ripper process , I would need to take my CD again, and I prefer to mount a file, because it's easier
I want to store them permanently. I have some CDs that gives me errors.
Maybe creting an iso from a original audio cds that dBPoweramp CD Ripper gives insecure rip, it could be saved?

Please, could you recommend me a way to make image files from audio cds? I don't know if Slysoft CloneCD is enough, and I don't know if there would be problems.
and...It would work for copy controlled audio-cds?

thank you very much
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db1989
post Mar 26 2013, 13:55
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Rip to a lossless format with a cue-sheet. dBPA or EAC can do this.

CloneCD and similar imaging programs are not usually tailored to audio, and as such, they supply no guarantee that they will take steps to guarantee accuracy in the face of the relative lack of error-checking/-correction on audio CDs vs. data ones.

Applications designed specifically to rip audio are the only way to verify accuracy (or the lack thereof). If they can’t obtain a verified rip, why do you think a less securely created image could? Were you planning to try to take an image created by a generic ripper and re-rip it using an audio-based ripper? That makes no sense. Not to mention that talk of ISO is irrelevant to audio CDs as ISO is a format purely for data.

Perhaps you need to do further background research before making any decisions about how to process your CDs. Some of the fairly basic details seem to be missing from your current understanding.

Ripping of copy-controlled CDs or any other media will not be discussed here, as is made clear in #9 of the Terms of Service, to which you agreed during registration.

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dmdevotee
post Mar 26 2013, 14:21
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understood, so, creating an iso from an audio cd makes no sense. thanks!
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ChronoSphere
post Mar 26 2013, 15:12
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Another option would be using CueRipper (Part of CueTools). I usually rip to an image with embedded cue, because foobar doesn't have any problems with referencing a song in an image, so I can create my playlist just as well. The only "drawback" is that I have to convert to separate tracks for my mobile devices, so I'm contemplating to switch to single tracks + cue.

It is equivalent if done right anyway, so if your rip verifies as accurate, you don't have to worry about an additional image as db1989 said. What you might want to do is keep a backup somewhere in case your CD/HDD dies, though it might be an overkill depending on the size of your collection.
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post Mar 26 2013, 16:19
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dmdevotee:

- You want AccurateRip, so dBpoweramp, EAC and CUETools are your options. You have chosen one of them. Good.
- As others have pointed out, there is no image format for audio CDs (they don't have a 'file system', really).
- And, as of now, there is no 'intermediate rip format' where a ripper can store information about suspicious frames to repair it later on a 2nd try (say, with a different drive or after having polished it). Until that happens ... keep those CDs. However, CUETools offers a repair if others have submitted the same CD and the errors are few. (You do not have to rip with CUETools to use this!)
- Both CUETools and PerfectTunes (find a beta from dBpoweramp.com) can retro-check against AccurateRip later, to verify that your files are OK at the time of checking. Also, file corruption can be detected easily (it just takes time) as the FLAC format has checksum.


And ... you maybe want a backup solution with file versioning (meaning you can roll back a "WTF did I delete all tags? etc"). If you are flexible on operating systems, then you have many options.

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ManekiNeko
post Mar 26 2013, 17:40
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QUOTE (ChronoSphere @ Mar 26 2013, 15:12) *
Another option would be using CueRipper (Part of CueTools). I usually rip to an image with embedded cue, because foobar doesn't have any problems with referencing a song in an image, so I can create my playlist just as well. The only "drawback" is that I have to convert to separate tracks for my mobile devices, so I'm contemplating to switch to single tracks + cue.


Don't you convert whole albums for your mobile devices? Foobar would convert image+embedded cue the same way as seperate track albums, right?

I ripped my CDs several years ago to flac (tracks) + cue. Even though I only have about 1,000 albums or so, I regret no going flac+embedded cue (+separate cue as per cueripper default). I just think it east to manage (less files).

If I were to re-rip I'd use cueripper to make flac or wavpack + embedded cue. Then batch the whole lot to lossy and make a backup of all the 1 file per album rips
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ChronoSphere
post Mar 27 2013, 01:31
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QUOTE (ManekiNeko @ Mar 26 2013, 17:40) *
QUOTE (ChronoSphere @ Mar 26 2013, 15:12) *
Another option would be using CueRipper (Part of CueTools). I usually rip to an image with embedded cue, because foobar doesn't have any problems with referencing a song in an image, so I can create my playlist just as well. The only "drawback" is that I have to convert to separate tracks for my mobile devices, so I'm contemplating to switch to single tracks + cue.


Don't you convert whole albums for your mobile devices? Foobar would convert image+embedded cue the same way as seperate track albums, right?
Nope, I almost never listen to complete albums. My mobile devices can all play flac/wavpack, so if I switched to separate tracks, I'd be able to just copy them to the mobile devices, together with covers etc. The problem with foobar conversion is that even though it keeps tags, it doesn't copy the embedded cover, so that's one step more I have to do every time I convert something for a mobile device.

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I ripped my CDs several years ago to flac (tracks) + cue. Even though I only have about 1,000 albums or so, I regret no going flac+embedded cue (+separate cue as per cueripper default). I just think it east to manage (less files).
Less files, yes, but there is not much difference between copying a folder vs copying a cd image... at least I don't see it.

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If I were to re-rip I'd use cueripper to make flac or wavpack + embedded cue. Then batch the whole lot to lossy and make a backup of all the 1 file per album rips
No need to re-rip, can just use cuetools to convert to single image giving it the cuesheets as input ^^
That's what I'm probably going to do if I decide to switch to single tracks after all.
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