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[seemingly abandonware] iPod manager, also known as foo_dop
fanerman91
post Jan 21 2013, 06:50
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I've run into a problem. I plugged in my 160GB iPod classic (not sure what generation) in a computer with iTunes in it and tried transferring a video file to it, but now I'm unable to add any music to the iPod using foo_dop. When I try to do that, I get the following error message:

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Error reading iTunesDB: Invalid format; expected header marker "dbhm" got "ʴ3DI"


(I tried to approximate that symbol before the "3" in "3DI" as best I could. It's a superscript mirror-image of an "L".

Has anyone seen that error before?

Thanks
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dag0
post Jan 21 2013, 10:53
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Did you try in Foobar Main Menu:File/Ipod/Rewrite Database?
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Meshens
post Mar 19 2013, 04:15
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I too have been getting these iTunesDB errors with an iPod 7G 160GB. The first time my iPod could not even be restored and my hard drive was messed up.

I received a replacement device that worked fine for 2 or 3 months maybe, and now I'm back to database errors. I was able to restore it in iTunes and put music on it again, and it continued working for another few days.

Then I tried adding more of my music (I'd rushed to put some of the music I really wanted to listen to on when I restored it) and it seemed to work okay. After having these issues in the past I started using the "Rewrite database" tool each time I connected it to retrieve data for audioscrobbler and then once more before I would eject it.

I eventually get to a point where my iPod shows no music after it's ejected. The file transfers all seem to go okay, and it shows used space on the hard disk. I was even able to rewrite the database and eject without errors. But it doesn't think there are any music files on there and now I'm getting an error similar to fanerman91, except with different header marker text. I can't do anything to the iPod anymore and if I'm lucky iTunes might be able to restore it again.

I'm starting to think there's some terrible bug with foo_dop and these 160GB iPods. I didn't really want to buy an Apple product anyways and I'm considering getting the Sansa Clip+ instead now, but I'd love any suggestions on fixing this. I have a theory it could have to do with it getting past a certain point in usage or maybe a certain weird thing with an artist or filename or something but I haven't received any errors other than the database ones and I've had more space filled than I do at the moment.

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frogworth
post Mar 19 2013, 13:47
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It's not a matter of some terrible bug in foo_dop.

foo_dop is very old, and the developer, musicmusic, hasn't been seen around here for a long time. The last version available was compatible with iTunes 10.5 beta. For perspective, iTunes 10.5 was released in October 2011.

This component is simply not going to be compatible with the latest version of iTunes, the latest iPods, and definitely not with iPhones running any even vaguely recent iOS version.

There's a reason the thread now has [seemingly abandonware] prepended to its name. It's dead.
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post Mar 19 2013, 14:04
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This forum needs a Like button!
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matt the cat
post Mar 20 2013, 07:02
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QUOTE (frogworth @ Mar 19 2013, 15:47) *
It's not a matter of some terrible bug in foo_dop.

foo_dop is very old, and the developer, musicmusic, hasn't been seen around here for a long time. The last version available was compatible with iTunes 10.5 beta. For perspective, iTunes 10.5 was released in October 2011.

This component is simply not going to be compatible with the latest version of iTunes, the latest iPods, and definitely not with iPhones running any even vaguely recent iOS version.

There's a reason the thread now has [seemingly abandonware] prepended to its name. It's dead.
Which is a real shame to be honest sad.gif
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Meshens
post Mar 21 2013, 00:10
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Just because the software is abandoned doesn't mean it's not a bug.

There should be a lot more warning and information on any pages related to it stating what you just posted.
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marc2003
post Mar 21 2013, 00:15
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it's all there if you actually bother to look....

http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#supported_models
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KKKoL
post Mar 21 2013, 05:27
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i just got a free 32gb ipod touch (not sure what generation, but it has the 6.1.3 iOS)

i have ipod manager, itunes and quicktime, the nero aac codec, have enabled mobile support and have the new foo_dop, but foobar STILL won't recognize my ipod

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Meshens
post Mar 21 2013, 07:15
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QUOTE (marc2003 @ Mar 20 2013, 19:15) *
it's all there if you actually bother to look....

http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#supported_models


I'm fairly certain the "6G (classic 2009 160GB)" listed there is what most people call the seventh generation.
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marc2003
post Mar 21 2013, 08:45
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QUOTE (KKKoL @ Mar 21 2013, 04:27) *
but it has the 6.1.3 iOS


which was released 2 days ago. again if you look at the supported model list i posted, foo_dop only works up to version 4.

QUOTE (Meshens @ Mar 21 2013, 06:15) *
I'm fairly certain the "6G (classic 2009 160GB)" listed there is what most people call the seventh generation.


is it running the same firmware that was about in 2009? i'm guessing not. software is the problem here. apple keep pushing updates that break any work that 3rd parties do for people to access hardware they paid for using programs other than itunes. if you want to moan at somebody, i'd start with them.

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db1989
post Mar 21 2013, 09:32
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QUOTE (Meshens @ Mar 20 2013, 23:10) *
Just because the software is abandoned doesn't mean it's not a bug.

There should be a lot more warning and information on any pages related to it stating what you just posted.

‘The software should have the power to time-travel into the future and develop support for all possible iPods in advance; to do otherwise is indicative of a problem in its programming.’

Really? Really?
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Meshens
post Mar 21 2013, 13:37
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Lol, you guys are so ridiculous here. Just because the bug came into existence after the plugin was released doesn't mean it isn't a bug.

I never implied anything about it or asked anyone to fix the plugin. I only asked if anyone else had a similar issue that they were able to resolve and also wanted to warn people.

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chileboy
post Mar 21 2013, 14:39
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Makes me glad I'm still using an iPod Video 5.5, which hasn't seen an update in a long time - and still works perfectly with foo_dop and latest fb2k
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Propheticus
post Mar 21 2013, 15:13
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Or just install the Rockbox custom firmware so you can add music the drag-n-drop style or use the file manager/synchronisation app of your choice (i.e. total commander and/or teracopy). (With this firmware the iPod behaves like an external disc).
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Meshens
post Mar 21 2013, 22:20
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QUOTE (Propheticus @ Mar 21 2013, 10:13) *
Or just install the Rockbox custom firmware so you can add music the drag-n-drop style or use the file manager/synchronisation app of your choice (i.e. total commander and/or teracopy). (With this firmware the iPod behaves like an external disc).


Oh man, the only reason I wasn't using this before is because it makes my iPod incompatible with my dock and so I'd have to use the auxiliary plug. But I'd have to do this with a different player anyways. Thanks for bringing that up.
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chileboy
post Mar 22 2013, 00:24
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I use Rockbox mostly and love it, but it isn't compatible with my car system, so I have to dual-boot into the original firmware - which means I still have to build the iTunes database...hence foo_dop...
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JackElliott
post Jun 3 2013, 17:01
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I'm reorganizing my media library and how I do it will depend on the answer to this.

I have nearly 29,000 songs on an external HD. They are in several hundred folders. mp3s and m4as, mainly.

I'd like to use fb2k's synchronize all feature, but I want to be able to skip two or three folders (with subfolders) that contain WAVs and FLACs and similar large files. I already have lossy versions in the other folders.

Of course, I want to keep the lossless files on hand to play in fb2k, but I don't need them converted then loaded into the iPod when synching because, as mentioned, I already have them in the other folders.

So I'd like to do synch all EXCEPT for a few folders.

Of course I could move them to another drive or a higher-level directory, and I will if fb2k doesn't have a peachy way to skip them during iPod synch.
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post Jun 3 2013, 19:54
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QUOTE (JackElliott @ Jun 3 2013, 08:01) *
I want to be able to skip two or three folders (with subfolders) that contain WAVs and FLACs and similar large files.
Couldn't you make an autoplaylist filtered by %codec%?

HTH.

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JackElliott
post Jun 4 2013, 00:38
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"Couldn't you make an autoplaylist filtered by %codec%?"

Saaay -- that's a pretty good idea! Before I start hacking around and getting confused -- will the autoplaylist retain the folder structure of the library?

Heck, I don't know whether fb2k's "synch all to ipod" feature in fb2k retains the folder structure, either. This mainly because after a while it hit some .WAVs, etc., and slowed 'way down for conversion and I just stopped the process.
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post Jun 4 2013, 09:13
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QUOTE (JackElliott @ Jun 3 2013, 15:38) *
will the autoplaylist retain the folder structure of the library?
Not sure what you mean. An autoplaylist is just a list of songs in your library meeting certain criteria, it doesn't affect the physical structure of your files in any way. If you are referring to folder structure on the iPod, I don't think it's preserved, but why would you care?

Alessandro

PS: are you aware this plugin is no longer developped and won't probably work with new(ish) iPod/iTunes/firmware versions?

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db1989
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Referring to iPod-related features as belonging to foobar2000 itself, e.g. “fb2k's synchronise all feature” is incorrect as official components provide no interface for i*devices. Hence why you are posting in this thread for a third-party plugin, I presume. foo_dop provides these features, not fb2k.
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post Jun 4 2013, 13:30
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db1989: Thanks for the reminder.

mobyduck: Well, what I've got here is a media library 29,000 songs but no playlists. It is sorted into folders and subfolders by Artist, or by musical style, etc., I've never bothered to build playlists as that kind of organization works fine for me. And I've got this 160MB iPod that had some problems so I just simply restored it to factory settings. Now I'd like to stuff all those songs onto it, but I'd not like to have to build playlists and find homes for 29,000 songs in all the playlists.

A flat autoplaylist would not be of much help, since it would have a Beastie Boys song right next to a Coltrane song right next to an aria from a opera right next to Jay-Z. And if I'm in the mood for some EDM that might be difficult. ID3 tags won't be helpful as a substantial number of my mp3s are missing tags.

Maybe I can find an iPod management tool that can create playlists based on folder names.
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post Jun 5 2013, 17:38
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Maybe I'm not understanding exactly what you're trying to do, but what you're saying doesn't quite make sense.

iPods work almost entirely on file metadata for track selection and sorting. Where the audio files are concerned, it does not use an organizational directory hierarchy, unless you're using a third-party firmware (like Rockbox) that is designed to work that way.

Metadata won't matter if you're using a Shuffle or some other iPod that does not have an interface beyond the play and forward/back buttons. Even then, you'll still need a way to sort the files in whatever program you're using to copy them over to the iPod regardless of whether that program is iTunes or foobar2000 (via foo_dop).

While assigning proper metadata is not the only way to accomplish this, it is one I strongly recommend.

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franciobr
post Jun 20 2013, 15:14
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Hi Guys!

I am a longtime user of foobar and the ipod manager, but I had a crash on my old computer and I am having trouble getting the components on the new one.
At http://yuo.be/ipod.php the ipodmanager is available and can be downloaded but the IphoneCalclibrary, which is necessary to run the manager at my ipod nano 6th gen is not (the link is broken...missing file at mediafire).

Can anyone please help me out on finding the IphoneCalclibrary file? I looked quite a bit but had no luck. Think of me as a really hot girl in need of help, apparently doomed to download the loathsome Itunes unless a hero shows up to help the beauty in distress =P!

Thanks!
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