IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
XLD - Difference between rip from cd and transcode from m4a, [moved from General Audio/TOS #6]
Smudeli
post Apr 5 2013, 08:49
Post #1





Group: Members
Posts: 8
Joined: 5-April 13
Member No.: 107520



Hi there

Short question:
Step 1: rip cd using iTunes to Apple Lossless format
Step 2: transcode m4a files to flac using XLD (accuraterip)
Step 3: rip same cd with XLD to flac (accuraterip)
Step 4: compare the log-files

The Log-Files are not the same, it seems that the transcode from the m4a Files are more accurate than the direct rips...

Can someone explain what's going on?

thanks in advance
Udo


Log-File from direct rip from cd:
AccurateRip Summary (DiscID: 0010c5ec-00898ba9-790b580a)
Track 01 : NG (total 106 submissions)
Track 02 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 102/112)
Track 03 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 102/112)
Track 04 : NG (total 112 submissions)
Track 05 : NG (total 111 submissions)
Track 06 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 101/111)
Track 07 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 101/111)
Track 08 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 99/109)
Track 09 : NG (total 110 submissions)
Track 10 : NG (total 109 submissions)
->5 tracks accurately ripped, 5 tracks not


Log-File Transcode from iTunes m4a transcode:
AccurateRip Summary (DiscID: 0010c5ec-00898ba9-790b580a)
Track 01 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 97/106, with different offset)
Track 02 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 102/112, with different offset)
Track 03 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 102/112, with different offset)
Track 04 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 102/112, with different offset)
Track 05 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 101/111, with different offset)
Track 06 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 101/111, with different offset)
Track 07 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 101/111, with different offset)
Track 08 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 99/109, with different offset)
Track 09 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 100/110, with different offset)
Track 10 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 99/109, with different offset)
->All tracks accurately ripped.

Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
eahm
post Apr 5 2013, 09:08
Post #2





Group: Members
Posts: 1171
Joined: 11-February 12
Member No.: 97076



iTunes doesn't support Read Offset, XLD probably does. iTunes doesn't support Write Offset. XLD probably doesn't either (the only one I found that does is EAC).

Have you ever played with these settings?

Search for Read Offset and Write Offset.
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Smudeli
post Apr 5 2013, 09:46
Post #3





Group: Members
Posts: 8
Joined: 5-April 13
Member No.: 107520



QUOTE (eahm @ Apr 5 2013, 10:08) *
iTunes doesn't support Read Offset, XLD probably does. iTunes doesn't support Write Offset. XLD probably doesn't either (the only one I found that does is EAC).

Have you ever played with these settings?

Search for Read Offset and Write Offset.


eahm, thanks for your reply. No, until now I have not changed this settings. Could the missing Write Offset in iTunes result in a less good result? I'm asking because ripping in iTunes and converting in XLD is much faster as a direct rip in XLD.
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
eahm
post Apr 5 2013, 10:18
Post #4





Group: Members
Posts: 1171
Joined: 11-February 12
Member No.: 97076



Read Offset changes the checksum when you rip and Write Offset changes it when you burn.

I can't say the result is less good, I remember many experts talking about offsets and saying that the audio stream is still the same even if the offset is set differently (reason why iTunes doesn't have an option to change it probably?).

A proper Read Offset means you will have an accurate rip. Rip software query AccurateRip to see if the Offset is set properly (even if AccurateRip itself is not completely accurate). Also ripping software usually calculate AccurateRip automatically.

A proper Write Offset means you could burn the disc and rerip it again and have the very exact copy of the previous rip and the original. Not calculated automatically, there are many tutorial of how to properly calculate it but you'll have to find one since I don't remember which one is the most comprehensive and precise.

This post has been edited by eahm: Apr 5 2013, 10:22
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Smudeli
post Apr 5 2013, 10:31
Post #5





Group: Members
Posts: 8
Joined: 5-April 13
Member No.: 107520



Thanks again for your explanations. I think I understand a lot more now.
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
korth
post Apr 5 2013, 15:32
Post #6





Group: Members
Posts: 478
Joined: 13-March 11
Member No.: 88969



The offset difference doesn't explain the 5 bad tracks for the XLD rip. The good tracks match the confidence levels of the other rip for the same AccurateRip ID. The XLD rip log might be more helpful (to someone more familiar with that program) to diagnose what might be wrong with the rip method or settings than the AccurateRip results alone.


--------------------
korth
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Nessuno
post Apr 5 2013, 15:50
Post #7





Group: Members
Posts: 423
Joined: 16-December 10
From: Palermo
Member No.: 86562



Does it happen with that CD alone, which could be somewhat a little defective (and the iTunes is a one lucky shot) or is it a consistent behavior? Or maybe a defective reader. By the way, iTunes ripping and XLD burst mode should theorically be the same thing, at a device level (Edit: and so complete a rip at the same speed). Yes, do post the whole log.

This post has been edited by Nessuno: Apr 5 2013, 15:52


--------------------
... I live by long distance.
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
eahm
post Apr 5 2013, 20:30
Post #8





Group: Members
Posts: 1171
Joined: 11-February 12
Member No.: 97076



korth, yeah... we kept talking about it and I didn't even double check the first post.

This post has been edited by eahm: Apr 5 2013, 20:31
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Kees de Visser
post Apr 5 2013, 21:41
Post #9





Group: Members
Posts: 737
Joined: 22-May 05
From: France
Member No.: 22220



QUOTE (eahm @ Apr 5 2013, 10:08) *
iTunes doesn't support Read Offset, XLD probably does. iTunes doesn't support Write Offset. XLD probably doesn't either (the only one I found that does is EAC).
Not sure when it was enabled but the current version of XLD for Mac (142.3) does support both Read and Write Offset, adjustable in the "CD Rip" and CD Burn" preferences.
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Smudeli
post Apr 7 2013, 13:05
Post #10





Group: Members
Posts: 8
Joined: 5-April 13
Member No.: 107520



I've made some more tests. In my environment the behavior is reproducible.

I used the same CD as in my first post and another one. The complete logs (from the first CD) are shown below. Thanks for any comments on this.

Rip from CD:
CODE
X Lossless Decoder version 20130127 (142.3)

XLD extraction logfile from 2013-04-07 12:51:12 +0200

Joe Jackson / Night Music

Used drive : HL-DT-ST DVDRW GA32N (revision KC12)
Media type : Pressed CD

Ripper mode : XLD Secure Ripper
Disable audio cache : OK for the drive with a cache less than 1375KiB
Make use of C2 pointers : YES
Read offset correction : 103
Max retry count : 20
Gap status : Analyzed, Appended (except HTOA)

TOC of the extracted CD
Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 00:00:00 | 04:01:17 | 0 | 18091
2 | 04:01:17 | 02:48:50 | 18092 | 30741
3 | 06:49:67 | 04:42:40 | 30742 | 51931
4 | 11:32:32 | 04:07:30 | 51932 | 70486
5 | 15:39:62 | 05:18:30 | 70487 | 94366
6 | 20:58:17 | 04:28:28 | 94367 | 114494
7 | 25:26:45 | 06:20:17 | 114495 | 143011
8 | 31:46:62 | 04:54:70 | 143012 | 165131
9 | 36:41:57 | 06:13:68 | 165132 | 193174
10 | 42:55:50 | 05:28:35 | 193175 | 217809

List of alternate offset correction values
# | Absolute | Relative | Confidence
------------------------------------------
1 | -101 | -204 | 10

AccurateRip Summary (DiscID: 0010c5ec-00898ba9-790b580a)
Track 01 : NG (total 106 submissions)
Track 02 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 102/112)
Track 03 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 102/112)
Track 04 : NG (total 112 submissions)
Track 05 : NG (total 111 submissions)
Track 06 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 101/111)
Track 07 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 101/111)
Track 08 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 99/109)
Track 09 : NG (total 110 submissions)
Track 10 : NG (total 109 submissions)
->5 tracks accurately ripped, 5 tracks not

All Tracks
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 7
Retry sector count : 3841
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 01
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 01 Nocturne No.1.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:02:00

CRC32 hash : 056CFA4C
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : CBB9E4AC
AccurateRip v1 signature : 7B0D0DF6
AccurateRip v2 signature : 2C8B9291
->Rip may not be accurate (total 106 submissions).
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 1
Retry sector count : 194
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 02
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 02 Flying.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:00:02

CRC32 hash : 809C88D5
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : C7D05CBD
AccurateRip v1 signature : AD74D8A4
AccurateRip v2 signature : D17B18BB
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 92+10/112)
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0
Retry sector count : 143
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 03
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 03 Ever after.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:01:05

CRC32 hash : 4F754114
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 80B21159
AccurateRip v1 signature : 809ED79D
AccurateRip v2 signature : 75457F4E
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 92+10/112)
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0
Retry sector count : 234
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 04
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 04 Nocturne No.2.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:01:67

CRC32 hash : DCF14B0C
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 109F691E
AccurateRip v1 signature : 07F0A5DB
AccurateRip v2 signature : 896712B3
->Rip may not be accurate (total 112 submissions).
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 1
Retry sector count : 194
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 05
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 05 The man who wrote Danny Boy.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:00:02

CRC32 hash : 5B8E07F8
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : C5568438
AccurateRip v1 signature : AE6A7317
AccurateRip v2 signature : 2A526605
->Rip may not be accurate (total 111 submissions).
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 3
Retry sector count : 426
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 06
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 06 Nocturne No.3.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:01:02

CRC32 hash : 3E20D34F
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 84C6E5EA
AccurateRip v1 signature : 1084ACE1
AccurateRip v2 signature : 2AB34B62
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 91+10/111)
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0
Retry sector count : 442
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 07
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 07 Lullaby.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:00:25

CRC32 hash : 7E1988F6
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : F3CFCABF
AccurateRip v1 signature : 13BD2828
AccurateRip v2 signature : EB5A0E4D
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 91+10/111)
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0
Retry sector count : 624
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 08
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 08 Only the future.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:00:62

CRC32 hash : 43A58A12
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : C09E5FE1
AccurateRip v1 signature : B9F866A6
AccurateRip v2 signature : 2F707AD3
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 89+10/109)
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0
Retry sector count : 468
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 09
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 09 Nocturne No.4.flac

CRC32 hash : 26CC8EF1
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : A67EC799
AccurateRip v1 signature : 7BE9DD24
AccurateRip v2 signature : FC01A7FD
->Rip may not be accurate (total 110 submissions).
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 1
Retry sector count : 597
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 10
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 10 Sea of secrets.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:00:03

CRC32 hash : 9E185832
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 6E940FF9
AccurateRip v1 signature : 5AC0EA70
AccurateRip v2 signature : B7A2795F
->Rip may not be accurate (total 109 submissions).
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 1
Retry sector count : 519
Damaged sector count : 0

No errors occurred

End of status report

Transcode from M4A:
CODE
X Lossless Decoder version 20130127 (142.3)

XLD AccurateRip checking logfile

TOC of the selected file
Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 00:00:00 | 04:01:17 | 0 | 18091
2 | 04:01:17 | 02:48:50 | 18092 | 30741
3 | 06:49:67 | 04:42:40 | 30742 | 51931
4 | 11:32:32 | 04:07:30 | 51932 | 70486
5 | 15:39:62 | 05:18:30 | 70487 | 94366
6 | 20:58:17 | 04:28:28 | 94367 | 114494
7 | 25:26:45 | 06:20:17 | 114495 | 143011
8 | 31:46:62 | 04:54:70 | 143012 | 165131
9 | 36:41:57 | 06:13:68 | 165132 | 193174
10 | 42:55:50 | 05:28:35 | 193175 | 217809

List of alternate offset correction values
(1) 103 (confidence 102)
(2) -101 (confidence 10)

AccurateRip Summary (DiscID: 0010c5ec-00898ba9-790b580a)
Track 01 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 97/106, with different offset)
Track 02 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 102/112, with different offset)
Track 03 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 102/112, with different offset)
Track 04 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 102/112, with different offset)
Track 05 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 101/111, with different offset)
Track 06 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 101/111, with different offset)
Track 07 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 101/111, with different offset)
Track 08 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 99/109, with different offset)
Track 09 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 100/110, with different offset)
Track 10 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 99/109, with different offset)
->All tracks accurately ripped.

All Tracks
Album gain : -2.94 dB
Peak : 0.998444
CRC32 hash : 2E4768CC
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 514E287D

Track 01
Track gain : -1.82 dB
Peak : 0.998413
CRC32 hash : 873E592A
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 8373EE96
AccurateRip v1 signature : 1EF8DFE7 (4497C0EB w/correction)
AccurateRip v2 signature : BDC1D749 (039F89C7 w/correction)
->Accurately ripped with different offset (v1+v2, confidence 87+10/106, offset +103)

Track 02
Track gain : -4.30 dB
Peak : 0.998383
CRC32 hash : 7A1E53CF
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : EAAE660F
AccurateRip v1 signature : 9A7901BC (AD74D8A4 w/correction)
AccurateRip v2 signature : A81F33B9 (D17B18BB w/correction)
->Accurately ripped with different offset (v1+v2, confidence 92+10/112, offset +103)

Track 03
Track gain : -3.53 dB
Peak : 0.998444
CRC32 hash : 2A9C0F36
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 5BEFCE6A
AccurateRip v1 signature : 09486B41 (809ED79D w/correction)
AccurateRip v2 signature : DBB282AC (75457F4E w/correction)
->Accurately ripped with different offset (v1+v2, confidence 92+10/112, offset +103)

Track 04
Track gain : 0.75 dB
Peak : 0.982574
CRC32 hash : 3DDD2AF4
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 02F64B77
AccurateRip v1 signature : DFF94524 (15A9D062 w/correction)
AccurateRip v2 signature : 43CA9AE6 (8A4EB8D4 w/correction)
->Accurately ripped with different offset (v1+v2, confidence 92+10/112, offset +103)

Track 05
Track gain : -1.65 dB
Peak : 0.998444
CRC32 hash : AF6F2625
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : E79324EF
AccurateRip v1 signature : 311D27BF (30F2B771 w/correction)
AccurateRip v2 signature : 7C4CFFCF (A756DF2C w/correction)
->Accurately ripped with different offset (v1+v2, confidence 91+10/111, offset +103)

Track 06
Track gain : 0.85 dB
Peak : 0.702911
CRC32 hash : 7EE63A9B
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 360E2347
AccurateRip v1 signature : FE74E966 (1084ACE1 w/correction)
AccurateRip v2 signature : F55571F4 (2AB34B62 w/correction)
->Accurately ripped with different offset (v1+v2, confidence 91+10/111, offset +103)

Track 07
Track gain : -1.83 dB
Peak : 0.998383
CRC32 hash : F0D3A986
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : F1A65389
AccurateRip v1 signature : 23F8074F (13BD2828 w/correction)
AccurateRip v2 signature : FE325365 (EB5A0E4D w/correction)
->Accurately ripped with different offset (v1+v2, confidence 91+10/111, offset +103)

Track 08
Track gain : -5.10 dB
Peak : 0.998444
CRC32 hash : 610B97B8
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 73907ED8
AccurateRip v1 signature : DD62F168 (B9F866A6 w/correction)
AccurateRip v2 signature : 37581ECF (2F707AD3 w/correction)
->Accurately ripped with different offset (v1+v2, confidence 89+10/109, offset +103)

Track 09
Track gain : 1.56 dB
Peak : 0.691467
CRC32 hash : 31C628ED
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 8BCA8DD3
AccurateRip v1 signature : 94394BDA (75DE1507 w/correction)
AccurateRip v2 signature : 8E680E17 (948D1D91 w/correction)
->Accurately ripped with different offset (v1+v2, confidence 90+10/110, offset +103)

Track 10
Track gain : -2.26 dB
Peak : 0.886932
CRC32 hash : 2DF36F65
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : BEF0B3DD
AccurateRip v1 signature : 9644EE4A (25AD1B1C w/correction)
AccurateRip v2 signature : 01F54FE4 (91CB837C w/correction)
->Accurately ripped with different offset (v1+v2, confidence 89+10/109, offset +103)

End of status report


This post has been edited by greynol: Apr 7 2013, 13:51
Reason for edit: Placed logs in codeboxes.
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
greynol
post Apr 7 2013, 13:17
Post #11





Group: Super Moderator
Posts: 10341
Joined: 1-April 04
From: San Francisco
Member No.: 13167



A sample-by-sample comparison might be shed some light..

To satisfy a hunch, could you check to see if there was a channel reversal in any of the errantly-ripped tracks?

Please also try XLD in burst mode.

This post has been edited by greynol: Apr 7 2013, 13:26


--------------------
Your eyes cannot hear.
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Smudeli
post Apr 7 2013, 13:34
Post #12





Group: Members
Posts: 8
Joined: 5-April 13
Member No.: 107520



Hi greynol

Tried XLD with Ripper Mode: Burst, the log is below (->All tracks accurately ripped.)

I'm quite new to this stuff, can you tell me how I can check if there was a channel reversal?

CODE
X Lossless Decoder version 20130127 (142.3)

XLD extraction logfile from 2013-04-07 14:26:01 +0200

Joe Jackson / Night Music

Used drive : HL-DT-ST DVDRW GA32N (revision KC12)
Media type : Pressed CD

Ripper mode : Burst
Disable audio cache : NO
Make use of C2 pointers : NO
Read offset correction : 103
Max retry count : 20
Gap status : Analyzed, Appended (except HTOA)

TOC of the extracted CD
Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 00:00:00 | 04:01:17 | 0 | 18091
2 | 04:01:17 | 02:48:50 | 18092 | 30741
3 | 06:49:67 | 04:42:40 | 30742 | 51931
4 | 11:32:32 | 04:07:30 | 51932 | 70486
5 | 15:39:62 | 05:18:30 | 70487 | 94366
6 | 20:58:17 | 04:28:28 | 94367 | 114494
7 | 25:26:45 | 06:20:17 | 114495 | 143011
8 | 31:46:62 | 04:54:70 | 143012 | 165131
9 | 36:41:57 | 06:13:68 | 165132 | 193174
10 | 42:55:50 | 05:28:35 | 193175 | 217809

List of alternate offset correction values
# | Absolute | Relative | Confidence
------------------------------------------
1 | -101 | -204 | 10

AccurateRip Summary (DiscID: 0010c5ec-00898ba9-790b580a)
Track 01 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 97/106)
Track 02 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 102/112)
Track 03 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 102/112)
Track 04 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 102/112)
Track 05 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 101/111)
Track 06 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 101/111)
Track 07 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 101/111)
Track 08 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 99/109)
Track 09 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 100/110)
Track 10 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 99/109)
->All tracks accurately ripped.

Track 01
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 01 Nocturne No.1.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:02:00

CRC32 hash : 2E69307C
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : CBB9E4AC
AccurateRip v1 signature : 4497C0EB
AccurateRip v2 signature : 039F89C7
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 87+10/106)

Track 02
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 02 Flying.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:00:02

CRC32 hash : 809C88D5
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : C7D05CBD
AccurateRip v1 signature : AD74D8A4
AccurateRip v2 signature : D17B18BB
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 92+10/112)

Track 03
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 03 Ever after.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:01:05

CRC32 hash : 4F754114
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 80B21159
AccurateRip v1 signature : 809ED79D
AccurateRip v2 signature : 75457F4E
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 92+10/112)

Track 04
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 04 Nocturne No.2.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:01:67

CRC32 hash : 6032EF87
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 109F691E
AccurateRip v1 signature : 15A9D062
AccurateRip v2 signature : 8A4EB8D4
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 92+10/112)

Track 05
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 05 The man who wrote Danny Boy.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:00:02

CRC32 hash : 1AA264F4
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : C5568438
AccurateRip v1 signature : 30F2B771
AccurateRip v2 signature : A756DF2C
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 91+10/111)

Track 06
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 06 Nocturne No.3.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:01:02

CRC32 hash : 3E20D34F
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 84C6E5EA
AccurateRip v1 signature : 1084ACE1
AccurateRip v2 signature : 2AB34B62
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 91+10/111)

Track 07
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 07 Lullaby.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:00:25

CRC32 hash : 7E1988F6
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : F3CFCABF
AccurateRip v1 signature : 13BD2828
AccurateRip v2 signature : EB5A0E4D
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 91+10/111)

Track 08
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 08 Only the future.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:00:62

CRC32 hash : 43A58A12
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : C09E5FE1
AccurateRip v1 signature : B9F866A6
AccurateRip v2 signature : 2F707AD3
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 89+10/109)

Track 09
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 09 Nocturne No.4.flac

CRC32 hash : 488195C8
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : A67EC799
AccurateRip v1 signature : 75DE1507
AccurateRip v2 signature : 948D1D91
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 90+10/110)

Track 10
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 10 Sea of secrets.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:00:03

CRC32 hash : 33C21F62
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 6E940FF9
AccurateRip v1 signature : 25AD1B1C
AccurateRip v2 signature : 91CB837C
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 89+10/109)

End of status report


This post has been edited by greynol: Apr 7 2013, 13:48
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
greynol
post Apr 7 2013, 13:44
Post #13





Group: Super Moderator
Posts: 10341
Joined: 1-April 04
From: San Francisco
Member No.: 13167



By listening.

In the future, please place logs and other long lists of information in a codebox.


--------------------
Your eyes cannot hear.
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Smudeli
post Apr 7 2013, 13:58
Post #14





Group: Members
Posts: 8
Joined: 5-April 13
Member No.: 107520



I'll try to check for channel reversals. Thanks for the codebox hint.

What does an accurate rip in burst mode mean, compared to the XLD secure ripper?


This post has been edited by Smudeli: Apr 7 2013, 14:00
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
korth
post Apr 7 2013, 13:59
Post #15





Group: Members
Posts: 478
Joined: 13-March 11
Member No.: 88969



Smudeli,
Did you try using the secure ripper with 'Make use of C2 pointers' turned off?

CODE
(Settings from the rip log above: rip with the errors)
Ripper mode : XLD Secure Ripper
Disable audio cache : OK for the drive with a cache less than 1375KiB
Make use of C2 pointers : YES
Read offset correction : 103
Max retry count : 20
Gap status : Analyzed, Appended (except HTOA)

(Settings from the rip log above: the good rip)
Ripper mode : Burst
Disable audio cache : NO
Make use of C2 pointers : NO
Read offset correction : 103
Max retry count : 20
Gap status : Analyzed, Appended (except HTOA)

The only reference I found was this post.

This post has been edited by korth: Apr 7 2013, 14:02


--------------------
korth
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Smudeli
post Apr 7 2013, 14:10
Post #16





Group: Members
Posts: 8
Joined: 5-April 13
Member No.: 107520



korth

I turned 'Make use of C2 pointers' off, seems like the way to go.

CODE
X Lossless Decoder version 20130127 (142.3)

XLD extraction logfile from 2013-04-07 15:01:54 +0200

Joe Jackson / Night Music

Used drive : HL-DT-ST DVDRW GA32N (revision KC12)
Media type : Pressed CD

Ripper mode : XLD Secure Ripper
Disable audio cache : OK for the drive with a cache less than 1375KiB
Make use of C2 pointers : NO
Read offset correction : 103
Max retry count : 20
Gap status : Analyzed, Appended (except HTOA)

TOC of the extracted CD
Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 00:00:00 | 04:01:17 | 0 | 18091
2 | 04:01:17 | 02:48:50 | 18092 | 30741
3 | 06:49:67 | 04:42:40 | 30742 | 51931
4 | 11:32:32 | 04:07:30 | 51932 | 70486
5 | 15:39:62 | 05:18:30 | 70487 | 94366
6 | 20:58:17 | 04:28:28 | 94367 | 114494
7 | 25:26:45 | 06:20:17 | 114495 | 143011
8 | 31:46:62 | 04:54:70 | 143012 | 165131
9 | 36:41:57 | 06:13:68 | 165132 | 193174
10 | 42:55:50 | 05:28:35 | 193175 | 217809

List of alternate offset correction values
# | Absolute | Relative | Confidence
------------------------------------------
1 | -101 | -204 | 10

AccurateRip Summary (DiscID: 0010c5ec-00898ba9-790b580a)
Track 01 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 97/106)
Track 02 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 102/112)
Track 03 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 102/112)
Track 04 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 102/112)
Track 05 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 101/111)
Track 06 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 101/111)
Track 07 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 101/111)
Track 08 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 99/109)
Track 09 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 100/110)
Track 10 : OK (v1+v2, confidence 99/109)
->All tracks accurately ripped.

All Tracks
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0
Retry sector count : 0
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 01
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 01 Nocturne No.1.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:02:00

CRC32 hash : 2E69307C
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : CBB9E4AC
AccurateRip v1 signature : 4497C0EB
AccurateRip v2 signature : 039F89C7
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 87+10/106)
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0
Retry sector count : 0
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 02
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 02 Flying.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:00:02

CRC32 hash : 809C88D5
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : C7D05CBD
AccurateRip v1 signature : AD74D8A4
AccurateRip v2 signature : D17B18BB
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 92+10/112)
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0
Retry sector count : 0
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 03
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 03 Ever after.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:01:05

CRC32 hash : 4F754114
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 80B21159
AccurateRip v1 signature : 809ED79D
AccurateRip v2 signature : 75457F4E
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 92+10/112)
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0
Retry sector count : 0
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 04
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 04 Nocturne No.2.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:01:67

CRC32 hash : 6032EF87
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 109F691E
AccurateRip v1 signature : 15A9D062
AccurateRip v2 signature : 8A4EB8D4
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 92+10/112)
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0
Retry sector count : 0
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 05
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 05 The man who wrote Danny Boy.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:00:02

CRC32 hash : 1AA264F4
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : C5568438
AccurateRip v1 signature : 30F2B771
AccurateRip v2 signature : A756DF2C
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 91+10/111)
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0
Retry sector count : 0
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 06
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 06 Nocturne No.3.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:01:02

CRC32 hash : 3E20D34F
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 84C6E5EA
AccurateRip v1 signature : 1084ACE1
AccurateRip v2 signature : 2AB34B62
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 91+10/111)
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0
Retry sector count : 0
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 07
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 07 Lullaby.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:00:25

CRC32 hash : 7E1988F6
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : F3CFCABF
AccurateRip v1 signature : 13BD2828
AccurateRip v2 signature : EB5A0E4D
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 91+10/111)
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0
Retry sector count : 0
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 08
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 08 Only the future.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:00:62

CRC32 hash : 43A58A12
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : C09E5FE1
AccurateRip v1 signature : B9F866A6
AccurateRip v2 signature : 2F707AD3
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 89+10/109)
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0
Retry sector count : 0
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 09
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 09 Nocturne No.4.flac

CRC32 hash : 488195C8
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : A67EC799
AccurateRip v1 signature : 75DE1507
AccurateRip v2 signature : 948D1D91
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 90+10/110)
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0
Retry sector count : 0
Damaged sector count : 0

Track 10
Filename : /Users/admin/Music/Lossless/Joe Jackson/ Night Music/ 10 Sea of secrets.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:00:03

CRC32 hash : 33C21F62
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 6E940FF9
AccurateRip v1 signature : 25AD1B1C
AccurateRip v2 signature : 91CB837C
->Accurately ripped (v1+v2, confidence 89+10/109)
Statistics
Read error : 0
Jitter error (maybe fixed) : 0
Retry sector count : 0
Damaged sector count : 0

No errors occurred

End of status report


This post has been edited by Smudeli: Apr 7 2013, 14:41
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Smudeli
post Apr 7 2013, 17:17
Post #17





Group: Members
Posts: 8
Joined: 5-April 13
Member No.: 107520



Ripped some more CD's, everything works perfect!

Thanks to all for your input.

Regards, Udo
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
greynol
post Apr 7 2013, 17:45
Post #18





Group: Super Moderator
Posts: 10341
Joined: 1-April 04
From: San Francisco
Member No.: 13167



I'd still like to know how the files differ. Asking the drive to return C2 pointers should not affect its ability to return error-free data; rather, this suggests a problem with implementation somewhere.


--------------------
Your eyes cannot hear.
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Pepzhez
post Apr 8 2013, 10:30
Post #19





Group: Members
Posts: 257
Joined: 18-May 03
Member No.: 6685



I had a similar problem with XLD way back in 2008, and I posted comparison logs here:

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=589849

To wit: never bother to enable C2 pointers on XLD. It doesn't work. My subsequent experimentation with drives that are acknowledged to successfully report C2 information showed that they still didn't play nice with XLD, returning different CRCs. I didn't have that problem when using those very same drives with dBpoweramp.

This post has been edited by Pepzhez: Apr 8 2013, 10:34
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 



RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 27th December 2014 - 21:14