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2012 ripping/encoding general poll
What are your current choices for your own musical library?
What are your *main lossy* formats of choice?
MP3 [ 319 ] ** [45.38%]
AAC (M4A, MP4, AAC) [ 181 ] ** [25.75%]
Ogg Vorbis [ 108 ] ** [15.36%]
MPC [ 21 ] ** [2.99%]
LossyWAV + lossless [ 6 ] ** [0.85%]
WavPack lossy [ 4 ] ** [0.57%]
Opus (CELT) [ 20 ] ** [2.84%]
USAC [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
WMA Standard or PRO (lossy) [ 3 ] ** [0.43%]
I don't use lossy AT ALL! [ 41 ] ** [5.83%]
What are your *main lossless* formats of choice?
FLAC [ 397 ] ** [64.87%]
WavPack [ 68 ] ** [11.11%]
TAK [ 43 ] ** [7.03%]
Apple Lossless (ALAC) [ 46 ] ** [7.52%]
Monkey's Audio (APE) [ 22 ] ** [3.59%]
WMA Lossless [ 2 ] ** [0.33%]
OptimFrog [ 1 ] ** [0.16%]
other lossless format [ 6 ] ** [0.98%]
I don't use lossless compression. Only WAV [ 6 ] ** [0.98%]
I don't use lossless AT ALL! [ 21 ] ** [3.43%]
What's your favorite ripping mode {for your main, archive or most important library if you have several ones}?
one file per track [ 412 ] ** [78.18%]
one file per disc with cuesheet or chapters [ 80 ] ** [15.18%]
it depends: I mix both [ 35 ] ** [6.64%]
Total Votes: 605
  
C.R.Helmrich
post Jan 15 2012, 01:33
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QUOTE (IgorC @ Jan 14 2012, 18:02) *
What I mean was:
from 1 Jan to 2 Jan ( during first 24 Hs) - there are totally 100 results
from 2 Jan to 4 Jan (3 days) - total 200 results
5-13 Jan (9 days) - total 300 results.

I understand. So, after 301 votes, some preliminary data for a nice plot smile.gif I interpolated the 2010 data using the current 2012 numbers (piecewise cubic Hermite, in case you're interested). I'm not showing the 2012 data, only a trend. Vote, and you can see it. Only one codec gains more than 1 percent popularity: AAC. That's great in my opinion and makes me hope that, after a bit more catching up with MP3 during the next few years, AAC playback will be as widely supported as MP3 playback.

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   Codec   | 2007 | 2008 | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | Trend
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MPEG-1 MP3 | 54.2 | 56.2 | 59.1 | 53.4 | 46.4 | \
MPEG-4 AAC | 12.8 | 16.3 | 16.3 | 19.1 | 23.8 | /
Ogg Vorbis | 22.8 | 17.7 | 14.3 | 15.1 | 16.0 | -
Musepack   |  4.4 |  3.8 |  4.5 |  4.4 |  4.3 | -
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#Listeners |  920 | 1309 |  923 |    0 |  458 |

P.S.: No surprises with the lossless formats.

Chris

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post Jan 25 2012, 13:35
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I've gone back and forth..

I figured transcoding gives the most flexibility and mp3 is the most supported lossy. This is the one to transcode to and 192 k worked way back then and stands the test of time and compatibility even now. So yes quick and filthy GOGO CBR 192

I have gone back to using wavpack lossy for the source @ 352kbit (-b4hhx) . This is a good solution for PC use. I have tested it over many years and its rock solid 99.9 % of the time inc transcoding to other lossy format. For ultra rare CD I may use 520k (-b6hhx).


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post Feb 3 2012, 17:55
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QUOTE (C.R.Helmrich @ Jan 14 2012, 21:33) *
Only one codec gains more than 1 percent popularity: AAC. That's great in my opinion and makes me hope that, after a bit more catching up with MP3 during the next few years, AAC playback will be as widely supported as MP3 playback.


AAC support grows very fast. Windows 7 has an out-of-the-box support of AAC and it's to expect that Windows7/8 will have the biggest userbase already in this year.
http://netmarketshare.com/operating-system...133&qpnp=25

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post Feb 4 2012, 06:02
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Im progressively getting rid of all the mp3 I got.... for lossless formats, I started with FLAC, then moved to ALAC when I decided I didnt want to have any more mp3, and so I would have to sync the iPod with an accepted format, hence the FLAC/ALAC switch....of course, then I learnt about how you can make FLAC files work in iTunes and I felt like a moron LOL!!! still, Im not going back to FLAC, it took me a lot of time to put the ALAC files properly in order. besides, FLAC and ALAC are Very much alike, isnt that right? what do you think?
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post Feb 4 2012, 12:00
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Flac, Alac and all the other lossless formats are all lossless meaning 100% reproduction of your cd. If you're living in the Apple ecosystem then ALAC is a wise choice.
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post Feb 4 2012, 17:20
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Lossy: LAME 3.97 -V 4 or 5
MP3 for compatibility for my MP3 player and everything else. I prefer 3.97 at lower bitrates (< 160kbps).

Lossless: FLAC
To me, all lossy encoders are more or less the same (~50% compression), but FLAC seems to be the future safe choice.

My PC has been the same for a few years, so have the hardware/storage restrictions. I still need to use lossy when I rip CDs. But in the last year or two, I have been listening to Pandora more often, so I don't rip CDs as much as I used to.
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post Feb 5 2012, 21:27
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Lossy: Ogg Vorbis
-q 0 --advanced-encode-option lowpass_frequency=99
Been using it for years, I see no reason to change. I sometimes use q2 for multi-channel though.

Lossless: FLAC
FLAC seems to have pretty good support, that's why I use it.

1 file per track
/artist/year - album/artist - year - album - num - title.ext
I find it easy to keep stuff organized this way.


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post Feb 6 2012, 00:45
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Lossy:
256 kbps iTunes AAC music bought from iTunes Music Store, I using it on my MacBook Pro, sounds great to me! I already have bought more than 2000 tracks smile.gif

Lossless:
I not using Lossless any longer!

File mode:
One file per track!

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post Feb 9 2012, 00:52
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Here's a nice graph (including current results of 2012)



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    MP3    AAC    Vorbis MPC
2007    54.2    12.8    22.8    4.4
2008    56.2    16.3    17.7    3.8
2009    59.1    16.3    14.3    4.5
2010    53.4    19.1    15.1    4.4
2011    46.4    23.8    16    4.3
2012    44.5  27.3    15.6    3.6



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post Feb 9 2012, 04:56
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I was strictly an MP3 and FLAC guy until November when iTunes Match started. I've been so impressed by the service that I've been slowly upgrading my matched MP3s to AAC and converting my FLACs to ALAC. I now rip to ALAC (one file per track) for albums and purchase MP3s wherever it's cheapest for single songs. I then match them in iTunes.
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post Feb 13 2012, 08:44
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Lossless: ALAC
Iím moving away from FLAC to ALAC, on account for native tag support in windows explorer (for m4a container) and because foobar2000 shows me the variable bitrates with ALAC while playing.

Lossy: AAC
AAC -q 0.90
I wrote a long explanation about this but happened to refresh my browser sad.gif


1 file per track.
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post Mar 21 2012, 03:32
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my prefer
lossy: AAC (qaac cbr 256)
lossless: TAK (default), i love TAK, fast encoding and decoding, wink.gif
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post Mar 28 2012, 15:42
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I use exclusively AIFF. I rip to iTunes using XLD for transcoding (converting FLAC downloads) and extracts (importing CDs).
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post Jul 14 2012, 12:10
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I rip to flac, one file per trac.

After tagging I then transcode from flac to ogg with q3 for normal listening on my desktop or lame --preset standard for listening from my mp3 player.

To me anyway, with my speakers, it seems that ogg q3 and lame --preset standard are equivalent and going higher quality compression only gets me larger file size.
But if I ever spend more than $30 on a set of speakers, I can always go back through my flac collection and transcode to a higher quality ogg.
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post Jul 24 2012, 14:59
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Lossless - FLAC

Lossy - AAC (apple's encoder at about 140kbps)

And I do one track per file. Never liked cue sheets much.


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lossy: 320 mp3
lossless: flac

one track per file, but I still have a cue sheet to use to burn with burrrn

Not that anyone cares, but I love talking about it, I rip discs with EAC to flac -8, then I convert to mp3 320 (while keeping the flac files for archiving) for the files I actually listen to. I just load all my mp3 320 albums into foobar and and play the songs at random. It's like having my own radio station that plays the stuff I like and I don't have to hear the same song twice for weeks if I don't want to. I use replay gain tags (89) to keep the volume equal so there are no nasty surprises. Sounds great!

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Lossy: V3 using recommended LAME, but currently switching to V2

Lossless: FLAC

Ripping mode: One file per track
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AAC (Nero Encoder @ 220kbps)/FLAC/Per Track

For years now.

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Lossless: TAK -p5m

Lossy: Depends on the situation. When I'm out of disk space I use LossyTAK. For COWON products - Musepack. Sometimes when I composite / editing Video with WAV stream, I actually convert the audio stream to LossyFLAC, to be muxed later inside an MKV, (and that's of course, for Win PC playing).

But 95% of the time, I use Lossless TAK. If I happen to download an MP3 / OGG / WMA I leave them as they are. With the exception of AAC which I prefer to convert to Musepack despite of the almost non-audible degredation of audio quality.
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post Dec 22 2012, 04:17
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QUOTE (spoon @ Jan 1 2012, 14:33) *
It would be interesting to learn what the split between lossless and lossy is, if you have 90% in lossless and 10% in lossy then there is no way to ascertain as both would be checked on the poll.

Hm, yes.
It should be more useful than "favorite ripping mode" question (one file per track, one file per disc with cuesheet or chapters)


Speaking of polls, it's time to say "I had my time" from my part. smile.gif
So if somebody has a new ideas ...

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QUOTE (IgorC @ Dec 21 2012, 22:17) *
QUOTE (spoon @ Jan 1 2012, 14:33) *
It would be interesting to learn what the split between lossless and lossy is, if you have 90% in lossless and 10% in lossy then there is no way to ascertain as both would be checked on the poll.

Hm, yes.
It should be more useful than "favorite ripping mode" question (one file per track, one file per disc with cuesheet or chapters)


On that issue, I am now ripping fully to lossless, then converting to lossy for players and cloud. A couple of years ago I answered lossless mostly just for vinyl rips because they are a lot more work to redo. I'm still trying to figure out how much role lossywav should have in the mix.

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Library: flac plus embedded cue. TAK is great, but sometimes I had to copy lossless files to where it was unsupported- I'm happy my library is now >98% lossless
Listening room: vorbis@q8
Car: lame@v2+Vlevel because often Classical music

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post Dec 23 2012, 08:42
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After much wandering and awful lot of time invested in the samples, since I use Windows, portable ipod player, my car player plays WMA, MP3, AAC and my home system is very good and I want to do the least possible compromise with quality sound, my last choice of formats is:
1. FLAC Level 5, one file per song for CD RIP via dbPoweramp listening at home Via Foobar with UPnP
2. FhG AAC quality level 5 on my iPod for the car.

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post Jan 13 2013, 13:49
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Just found out about OPUS so using that for now as the quality is very good at 96kbps for music and 40kbps for audio books and Podcasts.
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Btw, Moderators: shouldn't this poll be closed?

Chris


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