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Monkey's Audio 3.98 ALPHA1 Available
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post May 29 2003, 14:50
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Download it from:
http://www.monkeysaudio.com/files/MAC_398a1_F.exe

New GUI:
http://www.monkeysaudio.com/files/MAC_398a1_GUI.rar

History:
1. Changed: Now natively using APE tag version 2 tagging. (updated spec for better streaming and international support)
2. Changed: Using smaller frame sizes with Fast, Normal, and High for faster, smoother seeking.
3. NEW: Added built-in MD5 checking, for super secure, super fast file verification. (requires new alpha GUI for now)
4. Changed: Using a new and improved file header format.
5. NEW: Added "Insane" mode for when compression is all that matters. (may get better in a future version)
7. Changed: Converted everything to Unicode for full international support.

GUI news:
  • full Unicode support
  • few or no dependencies
  • multi-thread friendly -- can process multiple files at once
  • XML based external plugin architecture
  • lots of bugs and unfinished stuff
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post May 29 2003, 14:57
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A quick naive question: is there already a compile (or compile-ready source) for linux/x86 ?


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post May 29 2003, 15:04
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sounds nice indeed, although I have doubts about that new insane compression mode... decompression time might drop below realtime with my 1.7 Ghz machine smile.gif
And while MD5 is nice for verification, the file is still lost when there is a small defect.
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Case
post May 29 2003, 15:07
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QUOTE (NumLOCK @ May 29 2003 - 04:57 PM)
A quick naive question:  is there already a compile (or compile-ready source) for linux/x86 ?

I suppose you can compile yourself from the sources.

And for foobar2000 users here's decoder that can play files encoded with new version.
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Jan S.
post May 29 2003, 15:11
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I just tested the new insane mode on an album. And it didn't offer better compression on any of the files.
Though it of course could be better for other files I'd be suprised if it will be noticeable with any file.
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post May 29 2003, 15:24
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A quick decoding speed test:
old "extra high": speed 18.90x
new "insane": speed 7.53x
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post May 29 2003, 18:19
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QUOTE (Case @ May 29 2003 - 03:07 PM)
QUOTE (NumLOCK @ May 29 2003 - 04:57 PM)
A quick naive question:  is there already a compile (or compile-ready source) for linux/x86 ?

I suppose you can compile yourself from the sources.

The bad thing is still lack of any plugins. What's the use of command line encoder/decoder when you can't play apes and view tags in xmms or some other nice player.
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post May 29 2003, 18:55
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QUOTE (zokik @ May 29 2003 - 07:19 PM)
QUOTE (Case @ May 29 2003 - 03:07 PM)
QUOTE (NumLOCK @ May 29 2003 - 04:57 PM)
A quick naive question:  is there already a compile (or compile-ready source) for linux/x86 ?

I suppose you can compile yourself from the sources.

The bad thing is still lack of any plugins. What's the use of command line encoder/decoder when you can't play apes and view tags in xmms or some other nice player.

dry.gif it was release yesterday and it's an alpha version. What did you expect?
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post May 29 2003, 20:18
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I was reffering more to monkey's audio in general than just the latest version. I'm just surprised nobody wrote an xmms plugin so far.
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post May 29 2003, 20:52
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QUOTE (zokik @ May 29 2003 - 05:19 PM)
QUOTE (Case @ May 29 2003 - 03:07 PM)
QUOTE (NumLOCK @ May 29 2003 - 04:57 PM)
A quick naive question:  is there already a compile (or compile-ready source) for linux/x86 ?

I suppose you can compile yourself from the sources.

The bad thing is still lack of any plugins. What's the use of command line encoder/decoder when you can't play apes and view tags in xmms or some other nice player.

That's one of the reasons why I'm about to switch to FLAC.


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post May 29 2003, 21:05
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The new insane option is really slow... but as long as it's lossless and provides small file sizes I'm satisfied biggrin.gif

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post May 29 2003, 21:08
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QUOTE (Echizen @ May 29 2003 - 10:05 PM)
The new insane option is really slow... but as long as it's lossless and provides small file sizes I'm satisfied  biggrin.gif

The difference from "extra" to "insane" is so small it's not even funny.
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post May 29 2003, 21:20
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even extra high makes smaller files than before. nevertheless i'll wait for the stable version and use 3.97 with extra high. both, extra high and insane are to slow in winamp :/
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post May 29 2003, 21:40
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I was stoked about the insane mode, but my results:

v3.97
Wave: 501 MB
Ape Extra High: 280 MB
Compression Time - 11 Minutes

v3.98a1
Wave: 501 MB
Ape Insane: 280 MB
Compression Time: 30 Minutes

Same compression, took three times longer.
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post May 30 2003, 07:31
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You can't compare these two modes just with one music file. Some music compress beter (classical for example, with silent pasages), some bad (very loud rock/metal music). Test insane mode with differet types of music and then see results.
Also as Matt (author of monkey's audio) said this mode will be tuned in future...
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post May 30 2003, 07:43
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On the other hand...

The new GUI is pretty nice so far. It was easy to configure all my favorite settings for OGG, MPC, APE and LAME. And the Win9x Unicode compatibility means I can actually use it. Very cool indeed!


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post May 30 2003, 08:05
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QUOTE (Jan S. @ May 29 2003 - 03:24 PM)
A quick decoding speed test:
old "extra high": speed 18.90x
new "insane": speed 7.53x

Even using the "extra-high"-mode isnīt worth to do. It takes simply much too much time to en- and decode, while shortening the filesize compared to "high" only up to 1 or 2 percents.
For normal users "high"-mode should be the best compromise between speed and file-size.

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post May 30 2003, 09:00
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Preliminary results:
3 24-bit wav files: 118mb

extra high 39.7: 75 mb
insane 3.98: 76.5 mb

3 16-bit wav files: 80mb

extra high 3.97: 46.6 mb
insane 3.98: 46.2 mb

all wave files self-produced music.

cpu usage was hard to gauge because fb2k seemed to be influenced by other programs I had opened and fluctuated anywhere from 0% to 45%. Insane does seem about 0.5x the decoding speed of extra high though. Encoding speed is ALOT slower.

Regardless, its nice to see some development for MA. If Matt can squeeze a few more % out of insane I would personally use it regardless of the speed.
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post May 30 2003, 14:54
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Another preliminary for my 7 albums (see also www link below):

% compression for: 3.97 extra high - 3.98a1 insane - Album abbreviation
42,22 - 41,74 - Titanic
45,11 - 44,89 - Gema
47,04 - 46,61 - Fleetwood
52,63 - 52,43 - Aphex
62,74 - 62,64 - Trance
64,06 - 63,67 - Platina
69,20 - 68,83 - Steve
54,72 - 54,40 - Average of all 7 albums.

Both compression and decompression speed was about 3.8...4.0 which is about 3 times slower as 3.97 extra high.

This makes insane comparable with optimfrog's 'extra' mode, both compression- and speedwize. I expected insane mode to blow away the competition, but it's not that bad either...

I'll wait with adding this to the graphs, since this is still alpha and things might change sooner now.
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post May 30 2003, 20:42
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This makes insane comparable with optimfrog's 'extra' mode, both compression- and speedwize. I expected insane mode to blow away the competition, but it's not that bad either...


Well, that what you expected is nearly impossible. It's lossless compression and there's not much to do. IMHO lossless compression is reaching its all abilities.
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post May 30 2003, 21:12
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Well, that what you expected is nearly impossible. It's lossless compression and there's not much to do. IMHO lossless compression is reaching its all abilities.

I agree.

And I'd say it is more important to implement an option of adding some redundant recovery data to files and multi OS support.
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post May 30 2003, 21:13
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I know all that, but I just expected insane at least end up below the line: ape (extra high) - la (default).
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post May 31 2003, 18:56
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I couldn't help but notice that the only way I can get 3.98a to encode is using the new GUI. Commandline keeps saying Iput File Not Found and old GUI reports I/O error every time. I suspect this is APE tag 2 related from running on Win9x. But I had to see if anyone noticed this prob too (Monkey's forum won't let me stay logged-in for some weird reason).


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post May 31 2003, 19:15
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Same pbm. Win98SE + old GUI + new MAC.EXE = I/O error

Other problem :
I can't display FILE INFO on explorer, or with Winamp in_mac.exe. Nevertheless, winamp can read APEv2 tags created with foobar2000 : the informations are reported on the playlist, but not on the info box (which doesn't appear at all).

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post Jun 1 2003, 07:50
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quruboolez wrote: I can't display FILE INFO on explorer, or with Winamp in_mac.exe. Nevertheless, winamp can read APEv2 tags created with foobar2000 : the informations are reported on the playlist, but not on the info box (which doesn't appear at all).


It's because winamp plugins and other stuff need to be recompiled with new SDK. Case updated his plugin for foobar2000 and everything works fine!
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