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iso.wv creation with mkisofs, Hot to create iso.wv with mkisofs?
vasiukoff
post Mar 15 2010, 17:29
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Hello, All!
Does anyone know how to create iso.wv image using mkisofs?
Comand mkisofs -r -J -o mydisc.iso.wv myfolder does not work. sad.gif

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post Mar 15 2010, 20:51
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Let's see, "mkisofs" What function does that name suggest: "Make ISO", perhaps? Not anything else, for example "Take the files in this folder and make them into a WavPack image", if that's even what you want. I've never heard of such a thing as an "iso.wv image".

From the official mkisofs manual page:
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mkisofs is effectively a pre-mastering program to generate an ISO-9660/JOLIET/HFS/UDF hybrid filesystem.

Not an audio image (WavPack compressed or otherwise), cue sheet, or anything else.

I'd suggest that you be clearer about what you want, but I think you may need to do some basic research to know what you want.
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post Mar 16 2010, 11:58
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QUOTE (dv1989 @ Mar 15 2010, 22:51) *
I've never heard of such a thing as an "iso.wv image".

If you never heard about a such thing it's does not mean, that a such thing is not exist wink.gif
If you do not believe, I can upload a such file, which you can mount/burn as native ISO image and listen in foobar such as sound file.
And my goal is understand which parameters of ISO image I need to use to make a such file.

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post Mar 16 2010, 16:07
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I would be interested in downloading and trying such a file (for obvious reasons). smile.gif

I have never seen one either, but I just searched and see they're somewhat common (but I could not find a torrent for one that worked).

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post Mar 16 2010, 16:15
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QUOTE (bryant @ Mar 16 2010, 18:07) *
I would be interested in downloading and trying such a file (for obvious reasons). smile.gif

I have never seen one either, but I just searched and see they're somewhat common (but I could not find a torrent for one that worked).

Thanks,
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I sent you link. See you private messages.
P.S.: David, your codec is the best IMHO. smile.gif

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post Mar 16 2010, 17:46
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IIRC .WV file should be the very first file inside .ISO container. That's all (never tried to make such files though).
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post Mar 16 2010, 18:36
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I'm having this debate elsewhere. The point is that red book audio is not ISO. I'm of the opinion that it is simply a misuse of the term "ISO image" when it is used to describe audio.

To the notion, "If you never heard about a such thing it's does not mean, that a such thing is not exist," that the misuse is common does not make it correct.


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post Mar 17 2010, 10:56
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Well, will someone please explain in detail what it is?


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post Mar 17 2010, 11:03
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QUOTE (skamp @ Mar 17 2010, 12:56) *
Well, will someone please explain in detail what it is?

iso.wv - it is method to store WavPack audiofile + log + cue + JPEGS + etc inside ISO image. You can easily try to search in Google torrents in this format and test it in foobar. And it's works.
P.S.: It's not RedBook.
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post Mar 17 2010, 11:16
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Since (I hope) no one would want to burn a CD from such an 'image', I can only assume that the perceived benefit is the archiving of multiple files into one, without redundant (and ineffective) compression. In that case, I'd argue that using a regular archiver in 'store' mode would be more logical--but trying to apply logic to piracy in such a way is probably futile. rolleyes.gif

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post Mar 17 2010, 13:07
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It is not ISO image; it is wv + cue + whatever file inside zip file.

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post Mar 17 2010, 13:26
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QUOTE (hlloyge @ Mar 17 2010, 15:07) *
It is not ISO image; it is wv + cue + whatever file inside zip file.

Look at this:
file Vladimir_Vysotskiy_-_Luchshee_Tom_1_CD1_\(2008_eac_wv_cue_log_covers_tags\)_by_doremi.iso.wv
Vladimir_Vysotskiy_-_Luchshee_Tom_1_CD1_(2008_eac_wv_cue_log_covers_tags)_by_doremi.iso.wv: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data '\302\340\350\350 \302\361\366\350 - \313\367\345 \362\354'


It's ISO9660 file - not archive. In fact, it's not an AudioCD (Red Book), it is DATA CD. So, if you burn it, you will get a DATA CD with files (wv + cue + whatever) inside.

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post Mar 17 2010, 13:49
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QUOTE (dv1989 @ Mar 17 2010, 13:16) *
Since (I hope) no one would want to burn a CD from such an 'image', I can only assume that the perceived benefit is the archiving of multiple files into one, without redundant (and ineffective) compression. In that case, I'd argue that using a regular archiver in 'store' mode would be more logical--but trying to apply logic to piracy in such a way is probably futile. rolleyes.gif

I would recommend that you to try and see how it works, and only then judge what you have never heard of. wink.gif

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QUOTE (lvqcl @ Mar 16 2010, 19:46) *
IIRC .WV file should be the very first file inside .ISO container. That's all (never tried to make such files though).

I know about this limitation. I used -sort option of mikisofs. But result is the same: file is playing, but no tracks showed and no pictures showed in foobar. Even if CUESHEET is embedded in WavPack file with -w "CUESHEET=@file.cue".

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post Mar 17 2010, 14:59
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QUOTE (vasiukoff @ Mar 17 2010, 12:49) *
QUOTE (dv1989 @ Mar 17 2010, 13:16) *
Since (I hope) no one would want to burn a CD from such an 'image', I can only assume that the perceived benefit is the archiving of multiple files into one, without redundant (and ineffective) compression. In that case, I'd argue that using a regular archiver in 'store' mode would be more logical--but trying to apply logic to piracy in such a way is probably futile. rolleyes.gif

I would recommend that you to try and see how it works, and only then judge what you have never heard of. wink.gif

You're missing the point: I now have heard of it, and think it's rather silly, due to it being by nature an illogical way to store audio data.
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post Mar 17 2010, 15:26
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QUOTE (dv1989 @ Mar 17 2010, 16:59) *
QUOTE (vasiukoff @ Mar 17 2010, 12:49) *
QUOTE (dv1989 @ Mar 17 2010, 13:16) *
Since (I hope) no one would want to burn a CD from such an 'image', I can only assume that the perceived benefit is the archiving of multiple files into one, without redundant (and ineffective) compression. In that case, I'd argue that using a regular archiver in 'store' mode would be more logical--but trying to apply logic to piracy in such a way is probably futile. rolleyes.gif

I would recommend that you to try and see how it works, and only then judge what you have never heard of. wink.gif

You're missing the point: I now have heard of it, and think it's rather silly, due to it being by nature an illogical way to store audio data.

I understand your theory. You argue and criticize without understanding, in practice, what it is. This is even more stupid from my point of view. You first try to use it, and only then to criticize. Okay? I am willing to practical suggestions on the topic. Your messages do not contain any alternative solutions.
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post Mar 17 2010, 15:35
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I understand what it is: storing an audio CD image and related files inside a data CD image, presumably for the sole purpose of bundling the files together (it certainly wouldn't make sense to burn a data CD from the ISO). As I have said, that is not what ISO images are designed for; people distributing (of course completely legal) releases in this way would do better to use a regular archiver, and thus avoid confusing (completely legal) downloaders between different CD and image formats.

For these reasons, I have no desire to try it--nor must I to form an opinion, which I really doubt would change if I did.

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post Mar 17 2010, 16:00
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QUOTE (dv1989 @ Mar 17 2010, 17:35) *
I understand what it is: storing an audio CD image and related files inside a data CD image, presumably for the sole purpose of bundling the files together (it certainly wouldn't make sense to burn a data CD from the ISO). As I have said, that is not what ISO images are designed for; people distributing (of course completely legal) releases in this way would do better to use a regular archiver, and thus avoid confusing (completely legal) downloaders between different CD and image formats.

For these reasons, I have no desire to try it--nor must I to form an opinion, which I really doubt would change if I did.

Your mistake in that you don't understand main feature: you can at the same time use this file for playback in foobar2000 (without needing to extract data!) and as archive (if you will decide to burn CD). So, for example:
If you want to play this -> you just open it in foobar2000 and you will get possibility play all tracks + possibility to view covers. NO NEED TO DO.
If you want to burn CD -> you just open it in 7-zip and extract cuesheet + wavpack. After you can burn AudioCD.
I hope, now you understand...

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post Mar 17 2010, 16:14
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I see your point, but still don't think ISO is the best format. I know some players can play uncompressed archives in a similar way, but not whether foobar2000 can. IMO, extracting files is trivial, so workarounds like this are unnecessary.
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post Mar 17 2010, 16:22
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QUOTE (dv1989 @ Mar 17 2010, 18:14) *
I see your point, but still don't think ISO is the best format. I know some players can play uncompressed archives in a similar way, but not whether foobar2000 can. IMO, extracting files is trivial, so workarounds like this are unnecessary.

If you have 7-zip, WinZIP, or WinRAR it's not a problem to extract data from iso.wv. But if you just want to playback tracks + view covers -> you have only ONE file. And you don't need to do anything. And this is advantage. But If you know how to create the similar using other type of archive (not ISO!) -- I will be glad to know how to do it. Could you explain me how to do it?
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QUOTE (vasiukoff @ Mar 17 2010, 16:22) *
But If you know how to create the similar using other type of archive (not ISO!) -- I will be glad to know how to do it. Could you explain me how to do it?

Wouldn't Matroska be better suited for that?


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QUOTE (skamp @ Mar 17 2010, 18:40) *
QUOTE (vasiukoff @ Mar 17 2010, 16:22) *
But If you know how to create the similar using other type of archive (not ISO!) -- I will be glad to know how to do it. Could you explain me how to do it?

Wouldn't Matroska be better suited for that?

Waiting for explanation from you with REAL EXAMPLE.
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I've read that files in an uncompressed archive are playable without prior extraction in a player that skips the archive header. I seem to recall reading of MP3 files in a 'store' ZIP, which could be played as a single track, but I'm not sure.
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post Mar 17 2010, 17:08
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QUOTE (dv1989 @ Mar 17 2010, 18:54) *
I've read that files in an uncompressed archive are playable without prior extraction in a player that skips the archive header. I seem to recall reading of MP3 files in a 'store' ZIP, which could be played as a single track, but I'm not sure.

Let's agree as follows: you find a method that allows to playback (without unpacking!) WavPack + CUE. Covers should also be visible. Next step - you will try it and sure that it works. After you get a full explanation how to use your method. And we'll look at it as an alternative. Ok? No theory, only practice. Ok? If your method will be better - I will agree to use it and forget about iso.wv. But it must be a real thing and not just a theory. Waiting for REAL THINGS from you. wink.gif

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post Mar 17 2010, 17:18
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DEARS! LET'S TALK ABOUT ONLY THE REAL THINGS! wink.gif
If you have an alternate idea --> please show REAL EXAMPLE. If you know how to create iso.wv --> please show REAL EXAMPLE.
Let's stop to talk about theory. PLEASE!!! biggrin.gif
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